Which big4 company has the more talented bgs?

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    because they have self-producing bgs

    company stans surely make me cringe

    I think nct got talented members but their music isn't that good.

    JYP/SM have pretty talented boygroups and more balanced.


    YG boygroups are talented too, but their dont skills stand out as much as the first two.


    HYBE has BTS hard carrying, good for them


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    in terms of actual talent, exo and nct are at the top. Some may find an issue in not self-producing your music but I won't pay mind to that if we're talking about performance.

    Sm comparison isn’t fair. Nct alone has as much members as 3 groups from the other companies. Not to mention, half of them have average talent

    Exo and shinee are talented tho but even exo used to have many filler members which brings the average down

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    Sm comparison isn’t fair. Nct alone has as much members as 3 groups from the other companies. Not to mention, half of them have average talent

    Exo and shinee are talented tho but even exo used to have many filler members which brings the average down

    First you mention that nct has too many members thus many will be talented then you say half of them are average??? make it make sense

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    And the other company groups don't have any fillers?

    sm tends to debuts groups with some members who have outstanding talent and with other members bringing much less. It makes it seem like they're much more talented, but if you take all members average it's not that big of a difference .

    It's my opinion. Others can think differently and it's fine. shinee and aespa are exceptions.

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    sm tends to debuts groups with some members who have outstanding talent and with other members bringing much less. It makes it seem like they're much more talented, but if you take all members average it's not that big of a difference .

    It's my opinion. Others can think differently and it's fine. shinee and aespa are exceptions.

    You didn't answer my question

    Vocal:exo & sm groups triump all

    Dance:Nct & shinee are the best along with bts & enhypen

    The only thing they're lacking is rap but nct are still better than txt,en-,got7 & 2pm yet people are making sm groups are the least talented just because they don't self produce lol.

    I dont know or care about the rest but Enhypen has no fillers. All members bring different flavors on the table. Each has unique charms and it will feel incomplete when one of them is gone.

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    So I get it you think groups like txt, enhypen, treasure, stray kids, ikon (what do 3 quarters of ikon even do?) and 2pm have less filler members than exo and shinee? Interesting :pepe-notes:

    I don't care about the rest but SKZ don't have fillers. Everyone has a "main" position they're very good at, and everyone is better than half the group at at least one thing. Plus all their voices are distinct, and their overall line distribution is pretty fair.

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    So I get it you think groups like txt, enhypen, treasure, stray kids, ikon (what do 3 quarters of ikon even do?) and 2pm have less filler members than exo and shinee? Interesting :pepe-notes:

    Idc about the rest but enhypen has no filler members. If you take out one of the members of the group the whole dynamics, vibes etc would change

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    I dont know or care about the rest but Enhypen has no fillers. All members bring different flavors on the table. Each has unique charms and it will feel incomplete when one of them is gone.


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    I don't care about the rest but SKZ don't have fillers. Everyone has a "main" position they're very good at, and everyone is better than half the group at at least one thing. Plus all their voices are distinct, and their overall line distribution is pretty fair.


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    Idc about the rest but enhypen has no filler members. If you take out one of the members of the group the whole dynamics, vibes etc would change

    The person I quoted singled SM groups out as having filler members as opposed to others but the thing is, the worst vocalist in SHINee, for example, would be a main or at least a lead vocalist in any of the groups you all mentioned. Take half the members of enhypen and skz and put them in exo and they'd be fillers too. 100% of enhypen's members wouldn't even make the cut in any SM group mentioned in op. NCT127's vocal line alone almost has as many members as the whole of enhypen.

    So it's really rich singling sm groups out for having filler members when some of the groups mentioned in op wouldn't make the cut in their entirety.

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    Take half the members of enhypen and skz and put them in exo and they'd be fillers too.

    What kind of logic is this? Stray Kids are not Exo. Exo for instance would never need rappers like Changbin or Han, nor producing members, nor a lot of things SKZ have; conversely, SKZ wouldn't work with Exo members either. Being different groups doesn't make them not talented!? "Filler" is relative to a group. SKZ members are all important to the group, so are Exo members.

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    The person I quoted singled SM groups out as having filler members as opposed to others but the thing is, the worst vocalist in SHINee, for example, would be a main or at least a lead vocalist in any of the groups you all mentioned. Take half the members of enhypen and skz and put them in exo and they'd be fillers too. 100% of enhypen's members wouldn't even make the cut in any SM group mentioned in op. NCT127's vocal line alone almost has as many members as the whole of enhypen.

    So it's really rich singling sm groups out for having filler members when some of the groups mentioned in op wouldn't make the cut in their entirety.

    So op,you made this thread just so you can watch specific groups get bashed yeah?


    But if I say none of those sm groups would survive in such good dance focused groups I'd be the bad guy

    Op no need to use exo to shade other groups.

    Exo is not sm and sm bg are not exo.

    But why will any Enhypen members want to be an SM artists? Hybe is bigger than SM. JW left SM for BigHit . Heeseung received offers from 7 companies before deciding to join Bighit who immediately gave him an offer. Rest are all talented and charming too.


    Anyways, I will not criticize any group i dont stan just to uplift Enhypen. That’s how confident I am of all members on their talent, abilities, charm, and marketability. In short, there are no fillers in the group and re-imagining them as members of another group is pointless because they are not.

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    The person I quoted singled SM groups out as having filler members as opposed to others but the thing is, the worst vocalist in SHINee, for example, would be a main or at least a lead vocalist in any of the groups you all mentioned. Take half the members of enhypen and skz and put them in exo and they'd be fillers too. 100% of enhypen's members wouldn't even make the cut in any SM group mentioned in op. NCT127's vocal line alone almost has as many members as the whole of enhypen.

    So it's really rich singling sm groups out for having filler members when some of the groups mentioned in op wouldn't make the cut in their entirety.

    Sm obviously more than half the idols that debut in other companies wouldn’t even see daylight in sm since talent is top notch lol one thing you can rely on is sm groups are always talented never have to second guess

    Quote from Stewed Almonds & Avocado Ostrich (435)

    Kai and Taemin are the only idols who can compete with hybe groups when it comes to dancing.


    Meanwhile none in sm is touching bts' rap line either (1-2 exo members are actually good in that department too)

    Jhope and jimin are the only ones who can compete with sm groups when it comes to dancing too.Ten,shotaro,lay & taeyong are better dancers than txt & enhypen.Nct & shinee have hard choreos but u said none of them would survive in good dance focused groups??None in bight can touch sm's vocals too lol.

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    Jhope and jimin are the only ones who can compete with sm groups when it comes to dancing too.Ten,shotaro,lay & taeyong are better dancers than txt & enhypen.Nct & shinee have hard choreos but u said none of them would survive in good dance focused groups??None in bight can touch sm's vocals too lol.

    Bts, txt and enhypen are all 7/7 (5/5 in txt case) main dancer material. They could be main dancers in every sm group. Meanwhile,out of 12 people in exo, out of 20+ people in nct you name me 2-3 people..it would be a shame if out of so many people there aren't at least few good dancers

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