Since when having a supportive fandom is a drag?

It’s really not a drag, but if this is in relation to the new melon, then you should see the number count yourself and ask if the over-bloating of hourly ULs was really justified 😅

There is constructive criticism and downright degrading. Some people are doing the later thinkings it’s the former. Also will never get dragging artists for having a fandom. It’s not their fault if some artists don’t have proper fandom support.

Since forever.

It's pathetic, having fans isn't easy so it should be a compliment tbh. Having people to be by your side on your career and "helping" you to make your dreams come true is rather beautiful.

And using it as a drag screams: "insecurity, clown behavior and jealousy".. not the other way around ..

Your faves have fans who are willing to support them and listen to all of their music and also stream it because they love it?

Pathetic

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I’m talking in general. Melon new reform is not like the hourly clownery we had before, with this one even with a big fandom if you don’t have GP your song will free fall.

I prefer this one because 24hits don’t allow new songs to be discover unless you have a strong GP presence.

Actually it doesnt free fall at all kek. Btw, new melon is telling as that a 20k hourly UL > 200k cumulative UL. That is nowhere near comparable at all, not even GREATER.

Basically they’re saying that hourly UL’s value is greater, just because.

Aside from jealousy and petty reasons, it could be to remind fans not everyone is obsessed with their group I guess

Not that it matters if a fandom is clearly big enough for their groups to get by on for a long time

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Kpop fans live in a strange reality. A group can hit number 1 a hundred times over, but the general public isn't buying their albums for every comeback, going to their concerts, buying their merchandise, voting for them online, watching their videos, boosting their SNS engagements, etc etc etc.

Having a #1 song BOOSTS SNS engagement. That’s why groups with hit songs get higher brand reputations lol. Time and time again, we all know the real profit isn’t the album or the merch. You need to produce that, you’re buying 500k album that is INDIVIDUALLY PRODUCED. Meanwhile you’re getting money from a hit song that has been produced 1 time, and you’re doing so passively.

What is more baffling for me is the ageist remarks regarding that trot singer's fans.

pressed and obssessed behaviours of people

"they’re only fandom driven”

oh no. it’s so sad these acts actually have thousands to millions of people who actually love to listen, stream and buy their music.

it's not a drag that they think it is. artists dream of having fans who'll support their music.

K-pop stans value too much a bunch of people that don't value and respect their favorite acts as artists and have no interest to spend money on their work and follow it, because they seen their faves only as a irrelevant manufactured products that makes addictive music sometimes.

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What is more baffling for me is the ageist remarks regarding that trot singer's fans.

Neeeeeeo, what a beautiful aesthetic!! Wow! I love it!!!

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What is more baffling for me is the ageist remarks regarding that trot singer's fans.

Sexism and misogyny doesn’t exist for female fans lol esp if they stan a man.

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It’s so disrespectful, the singer just be minding his own business and getting the support from his fandom but there it goes edgy kpop stans with their opinions.

People will always find a way to look down on women's tastes & preferences.

I mean, people can hate Melon all they want, but there's no need to bash a whole fandom.

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K-pop stans value too much a bunch of people that don't value and respect their favorite acts as artists and have no interest to spend money on their work and follow it, because they seen their faves only as a irrelevant manufactured products that makes addictive music sometimes.

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I’m talking in general. Melon new reform is not like the hourly clownery we had before, with this one even with a big fandom if you don’t have GP your song will free fall.

I prefer this one because 24hits don’t allow new songs to be discover unless you have a strong GP presence.

No it's not, the new chart is just like the real time chart

Melon cater to BG fandoms bc they are losing listeners to yt Korea whose charts cant be mass- streamed

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Why no I will bash Daniel, lwy and BG fandoms that give this men a fake sense of success when then turn around asking "why my men don't get cfs"

Ask yourself why that doesn't happen, maybe bc nobody knows them

Thanks for proving my point.

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You make more money on albums than you do on streaming. That's been proven time and again. You need a MASSIVE amount of streams to generate decent streaming revenue. Albums, touring, and merch are where the money is. The very fact that old rock acts like Bruce Springsteen, The Rolling Stones, etc continue to make millions and millions of dollars a year isn't because they have a #1 song on Spotify. It's because their fans still spend actual money on them.

No that not true

album production is way to high and the money % go to the company, groups make money if 1) tours which are not happening or 2) ads which are happening but not all get, u get them when the GP knows who u are

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You make more money on albums than you do on streaming. That's been proven time and again. You need a MASSIVE amount of streams to generate decent streaming revenue. Albums, touring, and merch are where the money is. The very fact that old rock acts like Bruce Springsteen, The Rolling Stones, etc continue to make millions and millions of dollars a year isn't because they have a #1 song on Spotify. It's because their fans still spend actual money on them.

No you dont. For that is only for shows and concerts. Moreover, the groups you’ve mentioned had genuine hits and cemented their brand reputation through that. Do you think that them just having fans means they’re gonna make more money? They’re not Rolling Stones who can sched their shows wherever they want and get priority LMAO. Moreover, most of 4th gen groups don’t even have a competitive brand ranking, therefore produce less CFs.

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Idk girl, first u Stan NCT and many of this boys have no secure future solo careers, maybe 2 of them at the moment

Fucks up like Kang Daniel getting 60m gain points, passing IU are the things BG fans excuse

Are you for real?

I was talking about ageism and the twisted remarks regarding a singer and you're here talking about numbers & future. People were literally calling his fans "old moms".

If you think being ageist and rude is ok, then you're again proving my point: people do look down on BG stans and always find a way to do so.

You can drag NCT all you want, that won't affect me.

Kpop fans obsession with GP is concerning.

There is SO MUCH fandom shaming it's insane!! no matter what a group achieves be it album sales, MV views even music show wins, the fandom did it so it automatically becomes undeserved.

I hate to break it to you people but fans are also GP at some point, So a part of getting GP recognition is growing a fanbase.

IS COMMON SENSE REALLY THAT UNCOMMON?

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K-pop stans value too much a bunch of people that don't value and respect their favorite acts as artists and have no interest to spend money on their work and follow it, because they seen their faves only as a irrelevant manufactured products that makes addictive music sometimes.

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Are you for real?

I was talking about ageism and the twisted remarks regarding a singer and you're here talking about numbers & future. People were literally calling his fans "old moms".

If you think being ageist and rude is ok, then you're again proving my point: people do look down on BG stans and always find a way to do so.

You can drag NCT all you want, that won't affect me.

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bc they are OLD

U just need to check his melon chart demographic to know that

Why u mad by the truth

Gallup tracking from 40-60 age are most if not all trot song with barely any kpop song it's not a drag bc IT'S FACTS. Trot singers demographic is mainly old people based on numbers

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bc they are OLD

U just need to check his melon chart demographic to know that

Why u mad by the truth

And how is that an excuse to bash them?

How is the demographic an excuse to bash any fandom?

If you're ok with people calling his fandom "old moms", I assume you're also ok with people calling BG stans "a bunch of teenagers".

well what's the use of a group selling 1million tickets for their online concert if they dont have the gp support and chart at #5. Floppest

This is what people sounds like to me when they are trying to downplay group with fandom

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bc they are OLD

U just need to check his melon chart demographic to know that

Why u mad by the truth

She is talking about how these fans are shamed bc of their age. It's literally immoral to be so low and start calling others: "old hag, old mom, old aunties" etc just bc your fave (in general) is behind the singer on charts.

This isn't stating facts, this is being a loser irl and start attacking/shaming others bc of their age.

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If you're ok with people calling his fandom "old moms", I assume you're also ok with people calling BG stans "a bunch of teenagers".

It’s not like that doesnt happen?

It’s not like some users here dont have a history of dragging “bunch of edgy teens” when talking about GGs

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It’s not like that doesnt happen?

It’s not like some users here dont have a history of dragging “bunch of edgy teens” when talking about GGs

Right, people use derogatory terms for young and old fans, even for female or male fans all the time

And it wasn't a topic some days before, let not lie to ourself bc this is direct result to melon going back to mass streaming

It becomes a drag when irrespective of the song quality it tops the charts ..sometimes trash song will top the charts all thanks to fandom.

Because the intentions of fandoms are not seen as the pure appreciation of a product (music) but rather the appreciation of the people whose faces are selling the product. People assume that fandoms buy packaging (assuming the song is the product) and that GP has more pure standards (actual auditory quality/enjoyment)...but that's not always true. Another things is, although kpop is considered part of the "music" industry, kpop is more about selling personas than pure music. I apologize for the unconcise manner of my post.

This thread has been cleaned up. It doesn't even make sense right now.

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Because the intentions of fandoms are not seen as the pure appreciation of a product (music) but rather the appreciation of the people whose faces are selling the product. People assume that fandoms buy packaging (assuming the song is the product) and that GP has more pure standards (actual auditory quality/enjoyment)...but that's not always true. Another things is, although kpop is considered part of the "music" industry, kpop is more about selling personas than pure music. I apologize for the unconcise manner of my post.

Accurate. Thats why it is wrong when fans say it coz of their music only..