Why is SuJu not on the same level as tvxq and bigbang?

In my country it was always Bigbang and SuJu at that time tho, and I barely heard TVXQ to be honest. Not sure in other countries tho

i think the gp took the other two groups more seriously as artists whereas sj were just a really popular "idol" group

Big bang have digitals and touring all SJ really have is physicals.

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i think the gp took the other two groups more seriously as artists whereas sj were just a really popular "idol" group

I am not sure about that as TVXQ were seen as the king of boy groups/idols and so they weren't really seen as true artists. Big Bang were the ones to break the mold of boy groups and were viewed as legitimate artists by the public.

suju were huge, intl fans just dont like them so they paint this narrative that suju isnt successful. suju has been a group for 15 years and they still have a stable fandom, how are they not legendary bg status? tvxq is bigger without a doubt, and big bang beat them in digitals and possibly touring. but suju were still strong in all categories at one point or still are. they were hallyu wave leaders with snsd. lets not be delusional yall! their images are tainted tho so that in a way has affected their career but big bang has scandals too. the difference is that ppl will still stream big bang lol

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I am not sure about that as TVXQ were seen as the king of boy groups/idols and so they weren't really seen as true artists. Big Bang were the ones to break the mold of boy groups and were viewed as legitimate artists by the public.

i meant like tvxq weren't really regarded as idols.. they were more respected from what i've seen.

Maybe cause some people still look at Super Junior as the group of trainees that didn't make it into TVXQ.

But they are clearly #3 boy group of second gen.

Afaik Suju are front runner of Hallyu wave especially in SEA in their prime. Its just that some kpop fans are spreading narrative that Korea are not taking the group seriously.

Sadly a lot of 3rd gen stans, esp gg stans don't respect them and what they've done. So you will see them rarely mentioned in the GOAT discussions

They were the #1 bg at one point of time but maybe bcoz of the scandals and issues

In my country BigBang was really popular. Cuz they were not flower boys and they have seen as artists not idols. Only kpop group in my country where people considered seriously. Besides their song Sorry Sorry SUJU weren't really known in my country. People aren't interested because of that many members also.

controversies killed them in the general public

Looking at the Korean gp, they generally believe Super Junior were basically remnants of TVXQ after the five members were chosen. It's partially true (considering there were way more than 12 members even after TVXQ were picked). And also, probably because Lee Soo Man himself repeated that statement over and over and over again.... But as someone above said, they are definitely top 3 boy group.

they were huge internationally tho

They're not taken as seriously as the other two for some reason in SK. Probably bcoz they are more well loved as variety stars in general even though they have huge hits in their bag as well. And intl fans follow SK's public opinions so they say the same words as them.

I think it's because DBSK/TVXQ were on an epic level in South Korea and Japan, and Big Bang were on a top tier level in all areas on an international scale.

But yeah, Super Junior have always been somewhat underrated, I can still recall the times K-pop fans were mocking and ridiculing Super Junior for their vocals, even if later on it was proven they had some of the best vocals among K-pop groups.

That said, even if TVXQ and especially Big Bang are acknowledged more, there are very few who doubt that Super Junior and 2PM were the #3 and #4 of that era.

They have always been kpop fans favorite punching bag, meanwhile tvxq are nothing but a token for most kpop fans. Bigbang had the whole real artists shtick going for them

Clowns still think denying SJ's legacy is cute

Actually back then I chose SM boygroups over any boygroups since they consist of good looking singers which catchy dance and song.

SJ Miracle and Sorry Sorry were my jam.

I didn’t get into Bigbang until 2013 really.