Controversial opinion incoming #7

BOW DOWN TO ICYRUIOS

Don’t tell me not to celebrate love shot 400mil views

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you should come visit the kmc guild

there icy is known as the DON lol

Right

When you criticise kpop fans for being so obsessed with stats and achievements, they claim they're only proud of their faves success because they love them. But then they go ahead and obsess over stats of groups they don't even like and use those stats to drag or mock them so there's obviously a deeper problem here. For some reason the kpop community is full of people who are living vicariously through their faves success, and others who are incapable of making their own opinions without validation, there's no other reason why anyone would use their faves success to put others down, or use charts and sales to elevate their own taste in the eyes of others.

Spitting straight facts I see

Congratulating an achievement is natural but using it against other groups/fandoms to look down on them or bringing it up in unrelated discussions reek of insecurity.

Some people live through their faves achievements meanwhile they don’t live their life and achieve nothing on their own.

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I absolutely agree.

There is an equation that is made between 'this group/song is pulling numbers' and 'this group/song is good', as if the value of a song was only as high as the money and the time the fandom spent on it. Which is, in my opinion, a very bad idea ( also if it was really the case, Black Swan would be at 2 billions right now on Youtube, just saying )

Anyway, I get that the fans want their favorite groups to do well, to break records and stuff. But if they don't it's fine. It doesn't say anything about a group, or a song's legacy.

Not only that, numbers are also used as quality measurement. As if music charts were composed only by the highest quality songs. The same for YT views. It only shows you have more fans.

At one side you have people saying Koreans have bad taste because they only chart boring ballads and at the other you have people claiming charting as a measure of quality.

Popularity never was and never will be a synonymous of quality.

Literally you can't critique a song anymore without someone bringing up how it's charting on Melon, like Idk if it's doing well on every platform, I can still think it sounds bad

Herein lies the problem of quantifying success.

Once people get fixated on the numbers rather than doing actual good things like discussing the choice of instrumentation and number of chords and how they did something clever here or there -- that's not a passionate crowd. That's just low-level fanning

The Producer, the choreographer, the People of the group performing all contribute work into the piece and if lots of people don't see what they do, that's like you spending potentially weeks on your speech to make it witty and short and memorable only to get yawns and lukewarm applause only for the good looking guy to get shrilly screams just for saying ooga booga school is ovah.

Numbers don't matter until they do, this goes for every single kpop fandom.

Comparison is the thief of joy.

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I see a lot of people getting into arguments, or getting into quarrels with other fandoms or users over achievements and numbers, and honestly it just shows your insecurity. I'm not saying all of you guys are, but probably at least half of you guys

Lets face it, the reason you are obsessing over the numbers and get into quarrels with other users is not because you are "appreciative of your faves achievements/success", you are just showing your insecurity and afraid of the competition. Like god forbid if another group gets like 10 more views in the first 24 hours of MV release because you are afraid of the competition, and afraid that they will use this achievement and slap it into your faces.

Or MV views lets talk about it since I'm already there. Like going down into the metrics of how many % of your faves and OTHER PEOPLE'S FAVES MVs are made up of ad views and for what? Just so you can "appreciate" how successful your faves are? Bitch no. You are just afraid of the competition, afraid that other groups are doing more "ad-less views" than your faves. Or saying how many % of sales come from which country and how other country's sales aren't a good indicator of popularity or success and I'm like bitch what? Where is your life that you have to be so insecure that a % of sales or views come from another country, and deeming those numbers to be less than important, just so that your faves are seen to be more "successful"

Kinda feel like this is only a thing from late 3rd Gen onwards, where everyone is fixated on how many views in the last 24 hours, or how many first sale days and using this as a comparison to compare your faves success with other groups. I mean if you only care about your faves you should compare it with their previous sales and be happy that they did better, not compare with other BGs/GGs and using it as a tool to weaponize the success of your faves

tldr: I'm just typing whatever comes to my mind

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icyruios shared all of this controversial opinion. As a loyal servant, I think I am obligated to bring it back. In case anyone havent seen it yet. A good read.

Everyone bow down to the one and only. I feel like I have no rights to talk to you. LOL.

I can only see facts in this thread

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