Do you agree 
Do you agree
Is it agreed that the Fifth Generation even started in 2023? I don't think we have a consensus on that.
5 gen illit, meovv, babymonster
Display MoreI would argue that Sistar and Kara can give Wonder Girls a run for their money
Wonder Girls had higher peaks (Nobody, Tell Me)
Kara had great hits and Japan is crazy for them
Sistar is just ridiculous at digitals, 9 consecutive No.1 songs non-stop consistent hits
Sistar is nowhere near Wonder Girls bfr. WG ranked #4 on Gallup's all time list. And their hits are way bigger.
You can make a case for Kara cuz of their fame in Japan but WG had a Hot 100 entry 
If we only include Korea, no. If we're talking about the whole world? Maybe.
In Korea this would be the accurate:
1st: FinKL, SES, Baby Vox
2nd: SNSD, 2NE1, Sistar (Wonder Girls, T-Ara and Kara are pretty close)
3rd: MAMAMOO, Red Velvet, Gfriend or Oh My Girl
4th: IVE, i-dle, aespa (no I won't include NJZ because they barely did anything and I know it's not their fault)
5th gen: There's not much to talk about yet.
No offense but Wonder Girls only has 6 #1 songs and Sistar has 9 consecutive #1.
WG was huge, but not for long. Just because Wonder Girls had 1 HOT100 entry doesn't mean their overall career is better. Especially since most 2nd gen groups didn't do shit in the West. Hence why I only care about Korea or Japan.
3rd: MAMAMOO, Red Velvet, Gfriend or Oh My Girl
RV, GFriend, OMG and MMM bigger than Twice and BP in SK 
Display MoreI would argue that Sistar and Kara can give Wonder Girls a run for their money
Wonder Girls had higher peaks (Nobody, Tell Me)
Kara had great hits and Japan is crazy for them
Sistar is just ridiculous at digitals, 9 consecutive No.1 songs non-stop consistent hits
Both Sistar and Wonder Girls are in the top 3.
KARA might have a shot if we considered Japan.
Imo 1st and 3rd gen are the only certain ones! The rest can be debated 
5th Gen doesn't have a big 3
And all this Wonder Girls slander like those girls did not break up, replace/lose half their original lineup (including losing the most popular member multiple times over), rebrand as a band years later and still had Korea hooked on everything they put out.
Imo 1st and 3rd gen are the only certain ones! The rest can be debated
4th gen is also certain except for the delusional fans. 5th is still too news for any meaningful ranking.
RV, GFriend, OMG and MMM bigger than Twice and BP in SK
Yes they are. TWICE and Blackpink are not Kpop anymore. BP can barely chart in the TOP10 and TWICE didn't know how to spell TOP100 for ages.
Red Velvet is the only 3rd gen gg who Charted on TOP100 in 10 consecutive years, and MAMAMOO is the only group in history who charted with 25 songs in a single year. Not including 2019 and their full album.
Not to mention they're the highest ranked gg on Melon's UL list. Only SNSD and TWICE are in the TOP30.
Let's not forget that MAMAMOO is under a nugu shit company, and GFriend was also under a non-BIG3. Yet both of them are in the TOP5 or TOP3 in some cases.
Latest overall streams:
2. Blackpink - 2.57B
3. Red Velvet - 2.45B
4. MAMAMOO - 2.25B (no cb for 4 years)
5. GFriend - 1.55B
Music Show wins:
1. Twice: 123
2. Red Velvet: 85
3. GFriend: 71
4. Blackpink: 71 (after today's win)
5. MAMAMOO: 42
Other Award wins: including Western awards obv so MMM, RV and GF are not comparable. I'm not going to exclude those I don't have time for that.
1. Twice: 121
2. Blackpink: 112
3. Red Velvet: 59
4. MAMAMOO: 44
5. GFriend: 31
This is from 2024, but MAMAMOO is still leading the race.
Girl groups with the most songs surpassed 1M UL:
1. MAMAMOO — 25 songs
2. RedVelvet — 22 songs
3. Blackpink— 20 songs (they might have 22 now, don't know)
4. i-dle— 19 songs
5. TWICE — 18 songs
Lastly, I leave this here for fun.😂
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Display MoreLatest overall streams:
2. Blackpink - 2.57B
3. Red Velvet - 2.45B
4. MAMAMOO - 2.25B (no cb for 4 years)
5. GFriend - 1.55B
Music Show wins:
1. Twice: 123
2. Red Velvet: 85
3. GFriend: 71
4. Blackpink: 71 (after today's win)
5. MAMAMOO: 42
Other Award wins: including Western awards obvm so MMM, RV and GF are not comparable. I'm not going to exclude those I don't have time for.
1. Twice: 121
2. Blackpink: 112
3. Red Velvet: 59
4. MAMAMOO: 44
5. GFriend: 31
This is from 2024, but MAMAMOO is still leading the race.
Girl groups with the most songs surpassed 1M UL:
1. MAMAMOO — 25 songs
2. RedVelvet — 22 songs
3. Blackpink— 20 songs
4. i-dle— 19 songs
5. TWICE — 18 songs
Lastly, I leave this here for fun.😂
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You can't be saying anything about charting with MMM also not charting good in their last cbs.
And from the numbers you gave you already answered yourself with Twice, RV and BP having overall the best numbers.
Where is even OMG in this count?
MMM had hits, yeah, but so did Twice, RV and BP.
And ww it's literally BP then Twice then RV with BP and Twice being say above the others.
Display MoreYes they are. TWICE and Blackpink are not Kpop anymore. BP can barely chart in the TOP10 and TWICE didn't know how to spell TOP100 for ages.
Red Velvet is the only 3rd gen gg who Charted on TOP100 in 10 consecutive years, and MAMAMOO is the only group in history who charted with 25 songs in a single year. Not including 2019 and their full album.
Not to mention they're the highest ranked gg on Melon's UL list. Only SNSD and TWICE are in the TOP30.
Let's not forget that MAMAMOO is under a nugu shit company, and GFriend was also under a non-BIG3. Yet both of them are in the TOP5 or TOP3 in some cases.
Latest overall streams:
2. Blackpink - 2.57B
3. Red Velvet - 2.45B
4. MAMAMOO - 2.25B (no cb for 4 years)
5. GFriend - 1.55B
Music Show wins:
1. Twice: 123
2. Red Velvet: 85
3. GFriend: 71
4. Blackpink: 71 (after today's win)
5. MAMAMOO: 42
Other Award wins: including Western awards obv so MMM, RV and GF are not comparable. I'm not going to exclude those I don't have time for that.
1. Twice: 121
2. Blackpink: 112
3. Red Velvet: 59
4. MAMAMOO: 44
5. GFriend: 31
This is from 2024, but MAMAMOO is still leading the race.
Girl groups with the most songs surpassed 1M UL:
1. MAMAMOO — 25 songs
2. RedVelvet — 22 songs
3. Blackpink— 20 songs (they might have 22 now, don't know)
4. i-dle— 19 songs
5. TWICE — 18 songs
Lastly, I leave this here for fun.😂
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Twice topping all these lists except the irrelevant ULs one and you still have the audacity to say flopMoo are bigger than them.. 
No offense but Wonder Girls only has 6 #1 songs and Sistar has 9 consecutive #1.
WG was huge, but not for long. Just because Wonder Girls had 1 HOT100 entry doesn't mean their overall career is better. Especially since most 2nd gen groups didn't do shit in the West. Hence why I only care about Korea or Japan.
So do Twice. Following your logic, Twice is bigger than Mamamoo.
Both WG and Sistar were primarily popular in Korea but only one truly dominated the market, albeit for a short time. Wonder Girls are way more popular than Sistar in Korea and that's why they ranked #4 on Gallup's all time list whereas Sistar was chilling at the bottom of the list with the likes of Apink and sadly, Mamamoo.
Girl, this is MAMAMOO's 4 latest albums till 2022:
Real-Time Chart and TOP100 after it was introduced:
Dingga: #7
Aya: #7
Where Are We Now (full ballad EP btw): #16
Another Day (same album as WAWN): #91
mumumumuch (Best of Album): RT: #19 - TOP100: #33
ILLELLA: RT: #30 - TOP100: #45
So, how is this not charting exactly? With the same amount of promo as BP this year btw.😅
QuoteWhere is even OMG in this count?
I mean, they're the last 3rd girl group that peaked #1 on Circle Chart.😂
QuoteMMM had hits, yeah, but so did Twice, RV and BP.
And ww it's literally BP then Twice then RV with BP and Twice being say above the others.
Yeah, they all had hits, but not as many as MAMAMOO. That's a fact. Like it or not. And it doesn't matter if YG is a shit company (RBW, SME and Source Music are shit too) that only gave 40 songs for Blackpink, it's not other groups' fault.
Worldwide it's obviously Blackpink and TWICE and no one else. That's why I said KOREA!
It's not fair to include the West because 99% of Kpop doesn't do shit there. The fairest comparison is in Korea.
Just for your sake I can change my 3rd gen ranking so you can sleep better. 😂
MAMAMOO, Blackpink, Red Velvet
I don't care about the order, you can change it how you want to. 
No offense pal, but the UL is the most important because that one actually prooves the longevity of a group.🤣
You call them "flopMoo" but TWICE never entered TOP100 since 2021 I think, and MAMAMOO has more TOP100 entries than 80% of Blackpink's entire discography.
Let's just say how it is. If TWICE and Blackpink were not under a BIG3 agency, no one would bat an eye. People think they're the biggest because they're more mainstream, but have they achieved much more in KOREA than MAMAMOO or Gfriend? Not really. The gap is not that big.
So do Twice. Following your logic, Twice is bigger than Mamamoo.
Both WG and Sistar were primarily popular in Korea but only one truly dominated the market, albeit for a short time. Wonder Girls are way more popular than Sistar in Korea and that's why they ranked #4 on Gallup's all time list whereas Sistar was chilling at the bottom of the list with the likes of Apink and sadly, Mamamoo.
You just proved my point. Gallup means shit. It's just a popularity ranking, nothing more.
People are picking the most mainstream groups even though Sistar achieved much more than Wonder Girls in Korea, just like MAMAMOO did in 3rd gen.
For the record, I was a Wonder Girls fan before most of you even heard about them. So, I know exactly how popular and successful they were.
Show me a Kpop group (boys or girls) who achieved this in a single year and we can talk:
MAMAMOO between 2018.03.07-2019.03.14. Two INTRO songs were in the TOP100.😂
No offense to TWICE, but when was the last time they peaked #92 on Melon?
Display MoreGirl, this is MAMAMOO's 4 latest albums till 2022:
Real-Time Chart and TOP100 after it was introduced:
Dingga: #7
Aya: #7
Where Are We Now (full ballad EP btw): #16
Another Day (same album as WAWN): #91
mumumumuch (Best of Album): RT: #19 - TOP100: #33
ILLELLA: RT: #30 - TOP100: #45
So, how is this not charting exactly? With the same amount of promo as BP this year btw.😅
I mean, they're the last 3rd girl group that peaked #1 on Circle Chart.😂
Yeah, they all had hits, but not as many as MAMAMOO. That's a fact. Like it or not. And it doesn't matter if YG is a shit company (RBW, SME and Source Music are shit too) that only gave 40 songs for Blackpink, it's not other groups' fault.
Worldwide it's obviously Blackpink and TWICE and no one else. That's why I said KOREA!
It's not fair to include the West because 99% of Kpop doesn't do shit there. The fairest comparison is in Korea.
Just for your sake I can change my 3rd gen ranking so you can sleep better. 😂
MAMAMOO, Blackpink, Red Velvet
I don't care about the order, you can change it how you want to.
You don't want to include ww bc your groups didn't do anything big enough to top there, but it's impossible to just limit the top3 to SK when since 3rd gen k-pop became way more global.
Yeah, just a few groups like BP and Twice are doing numbers ww that's why they are the top groups of their gens and RV has some Spotify entry, etc.
The tweet is said top groups, not top sk groups where I would also say Twice (literally the national gg after SNSD), RV and BP.
Again, show me TWICE charting in Korea.
People are picking the most mainstream groups even though Sistar achieved much more than Wonder Girls in Korea, just like MAMAMOO did in 3rd gen
No offense to TWICE, but when was the last time they peaked #92 on Melon?
Are we really bragging about peaking at #92 on Melon now??? 
You don't want to include ww bc your groups didn't do anything big enough to top there,
Yeah, just a few groups like BP and Twice are doing numbers ww that's why they are the top groups of their gens and RV has some Spotify entry, etc.
The tweet is said top groups, not top sk groups where I would also say Twice (literally the national gg after SNSD), RV and BP.
That's not true btw. I literally showed you MAMAMOO was the 2nd girl group after 2NE1 charting on Billboard Digital Song Sales as a group and 4 soloists. Their first World Tour was the #1 best-selling DEBUT US tour by any girl group. They had multiple hit songs on Billboard as well. Yes, not on the 3 main charts but you can't chart there without promoting in the US.
The Grammys literally picked MAMAMOO as one of the most influential girl groups in history. So, even if they don't chart in the US like TWICE or BP, the industry knows them and acknowledges their impact. Including Grammy winning artists.
Quotebut it's impossible to just limit the top3 to SK when since 3rd gen k-pop became way more global.
It's not impossible. It doesn't matter if Kpop is now more global if 99% of Kpop groups never left Asia. You can only compare like 5-10 groups overall. That's why we should only talk about Korea.
I don't care what the tweet says. It's not fair to compare groups worldwide when they don't have the same resources.
You and ONCES say TWICE is the "Natial GG" after SNSD, yet they can't do anything in Korea since 2021. They're not even close to SNSD.
Again, show me TWICE charting in Korea.
Show me Mamamoo's nine consecutive #1 hits in Korea that earned them the "nation's girl group" label.
That's not true btw. I literally showed you MAMAMOO was the 2nd girl group after 2NE1 charting on Billboard Digital Song Sales as a group and 4 soloists. Their first World Tour was the #1 best-selling DEBUT US tour by any girl group. They had multiple hit songs on Billboard as well. Yes, not on the 3 main charts but you can't chart there without promoting in the US.
Now he's trying to use Mamamoo taking an entire decade to finally tour the US and charting on some obscure Billboard chart that even Billboard themselves forget exists as evidence of their supremacy. I guess Korea wasn't enough, he had to leap out of the frying pan and directly into the fire.
Show me 25 TWICE songs on Melon's TOP100.
In their entire career, not one single year like MAMAMOO.😂
Here are some stats for you, pal.
Kpop groups with the most TOP100 appearances on Melon (2014-2025)
1. BTS - 111 songs (19 TOP10s)
3. SEVENTEEN - 59 songs (2 TOP10s)
4. MAMAMOO - 47 songs (13 TOP10s)
5. WINNER - 47 songs (11 TOP10s)
6. HIGHLIGHT - 41 songs (10 TOP10s)
7. RedVelvet - 36 songs (14 TOP10s)
8. WannaOne - 35 songs (9 TOP10s)
9. BLACKPINK - 33 songs (14 TOP10s) - updated in 2026
10. iKON - 33 songs (9 TOP10s)
11. BTOB - 33 songs (6 TOP10s)
12. NCTDream - 30 songs (1 TOP10s)
13. TWICE - 29 songs (14 TOP10s)
14. Apink - 28 songs (9 TOP10s)
15. i-dle - 21 songs (8 TOP10s)
You must be sad that TWICE didn't achieve the same thing on Billboard or with the first US tour. Even tho they have a massive agency behind them.
Being the #1 best-selling gg debut tour in the US after a decade when you're not in your peak anymore and you never promoted yourself in the US is a much bigger achievement than anything BP or TWICE achieved.
3rd gen is Gfriend over Red Velvet for me. I say that because there was a period of time when Gfriend were the top girl group (Rough era). I don’t think Red Velvet could ever make that claim.
3rd gen is Gfriend over Red Velvet for me. I say that because there was a period of time when Gfriend were the top girl group (2014, Rough era). I don’t think Red Velvet could ever make that claim.
Fun fact: Gfriend did not even exist in 2014. So needless to say, they were definitely not the top girl group.
Yeah, and we're still waiting for TWICE to enter TOP100 chart. 😂
Ha, I got my dates mixed up. But I am talking about Rough era. Gfriend were the biggest girl group in Korea during that time.
Display MoreYeah, and we're still waiting for TWICE to enter TOP100 chart. 😂
I'm sorry but what does this even mean?
Both debuted in 2015, pal. So they aren't a top girl group either? 🤣
GFriend: January 15, 2015
TWICE: October 20, 2015
So, what's your point exactly?
We're still waiting for Mamamoo to enter the Hot 100. This is where I'd insert a cute gif about how long it's been, but I can't, because it's never happened.
My point was that Gfriend didn't exist in 2014. Hence why I said they didn't exist in 2014. Can you no longer comprehend basic English?
Rough was released in 2016, the year Twice's dominance began. So Gfriend need not apply to the "top girl group" club.
Ha, I got my dates mixed up. But I am talking about Rough era. Gfriend were the biggest girl group in Korea during that time.
For what, a few months at best, until Cheer Up was released? Even if it's technically true, I still wouldn't brag about it. RV had bigger hits, whether they were the biggest girl group at the time or not.
if we count pure numbers only then Apink will be in the top 3 of 2nd gen:
- total physical sales: #2
- total Melon stream: #3
- spotfy stream: #4
- music show wins: #2
- years ended up as the highest charting gg: #1 (2 years)
But most people won't agree. This shows why we always have to be careful with numbers.
Ha, I got my dates mixed up. But I am talking about Rough era. Gfriend were the biggest girl group in Korea during that time.
Rough was released in 2016, the year Twice's dominance began. So Gfriend need not apply to the "top girl group" club.
For what, a few months at best, until Cheer Up was released? Even if it's technically true, I still wouldn't brag about it. RV had bigger hits, whether they were the biggest girl group at the time or not.
Also wrong, because MAMAMOO was the biggest in 2016. They mopped the floor with everyone with "You're the Best" and not much later in the same year with "Decalcomanie". Especially after that "Blue Dragon Award performance. Both peaked #1 and "You're The Best" achieved a Perfect All-Kill as well.
Actually there is a lot I can say but I am not gonna bother cuz I know nothing gets through that thick skulls of yours
MAMAMOO doesn't promote in the US. Ergo they can't enter HOT100. TWICE only has 3 HOT100 entries and 1 is a collab and all 3 are full English songs.
MAMAMOO don't release English songs and seek Western collabs.
Sure Jen. 🤣
Groups who want to prove their vocals still cover "Decalcomanie" and it's one of the most used Kpop songs on variety shows.
Also, ask those actors who are usually wonden props at Award shows what they think about MAMAMOO.
You can't type "Decalcomanie" because the name and the meaning is too complex for a TWICE fan like you who only listens to cutesy songs. 🤣
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