Let's talk Visuals of in your fav Groups

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    Do visuals lack talent and only make it due to their looks? 8

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    Are they really untalented? I've seen many claim visuals are only good for their looks and it's the reason for their success.


    The visuals I stan are much more than that.


    Yoona got Snsd so much love in Korea as rookies due to her acting and modeling. And she was the 3rd best dancer after Hyoyeon and Yuri in Snsd. She was praised for her acting skills since she was a rookie. Her drama got 40% or so viewership ratings in Korea. (Something only one other idol actress in korea has achieved)


    Krystal was the 2nd in Kpop dance or 3rd best dancer when Victoria did her Chinese traditional dance thing after Luna in Fx. Her chic fashion, icy personality and body got fx much love too to the point that when she left, the group disbanded. She is a good actress.


    Suzy was the main vocalist of Miss A and she's a talented actress.


    Karina can sing, dance, rap and make music


    Etc


    Visuals are mostly all rounders imo and it helps them do very well both in their groups and in other fields.


    Which Visuals do you know that are talentless?

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    It's true that some idols designated as visuals aren't particularly talented, but many people are too quick to write off visuals in general, even going as far as denying whatever talent they do have merely due to holding a largely meaningless title. I can also think of several cases where the visuals even ended up being the most improved members of their groups over time, but people still treat them as if they're in the group solely for their looks. Even if that was true at debut, it needn't remain true.

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    Tbh we have a lot of idols that aren't that good at singing, but visuals get way more criticism bc even though they may lack in the talent department they still "hit big" while the "more talented" ones doesn't. But it's not exactly the idols fault, companies do push more the visual members.

    Yoona may be a good dancer, but she wasn't even close talent wise to the better singers in the group. Even though idols may be good at others things, their first priority should be vocals or rap, if they are just average in those department it makes them the easiest target.

    Overall there isn't a single group where the visual is the most talented, but there are plenty of cases where the visual is the most popular so....

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    whenever we discuss talent

    I always break it down to performance talent and the non performance talents


    there's rarely any idol that is talentless at all - there might be idols that are weaker in some areas than others


    and that's no different from visuals - there might be some that are weaker in some areas and stronger in others...


    is the OP's question solely in relation to the performance aspect of talent

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    Quote from Popper-of-Ks

    Soyeon is a terrible lyricist, which automatically disqualifies her from being a good rapper, even if you can actually stand her grating voice.

    That's on you, but their career being so big is thanks to Soyeon who produced their songs.

    She gets the work done and managed idle to become one of the top groups of the 4th gen despite not being from a big4 company.

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    Interesting, but I think kpop companies moved away from official titles tbh. I think it started with 4th gen but groups are now positionless, so it's somewhat subjective about roles. We can obviously point out who are main vocalist and main dancers but companies don't have the official positions anymore. I guess visuals are subjective, but I guess for the visual it will be the member that gets discussed the most. I guess we can say who the companies mediaplay as the visual even though there's no official role these days.


    I disagree about Yeji, Gawon, and Hanni not being the most talented in their respective group :pepe-hips:

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    Quote from StanGIDLE

    Interesting, but I think kpop companies moved away from official titles tbh. I think it started with 4th gen but groups are now positionless, so it's somewhat subjective about roles. We can obviously point out who are main vocalist and main dancers but companies don't have the official positions anymore. I guess visuals are subjective, but I guess for the visual it will be the member that gets discussed the most. I guess we can say who the companies mediaplay as the visual even though there's no official role these days.


    I disagree about Yeji, Gawon, and Hanni not being the most talented in their respective group :pepe-hips:

    It's not that companies stopped, it's just that talent wise k-pop took a beating like... Majority are average so no outstanding talent like in illit case for example or some bgs. But you'll always know who are the official visuals, I love NingNing, she is the best in Aespa and imo the visual, but to the company it was always all about Karina, we know and see...


    And you'll accept my opinion as your own! :pepe-torch:

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    Quote from monalisalove

    Naur :meme-disappointed:

    Edit: and Yeji isn't the official visual.

    Btw which Hanni?? :meme-life-support:

    I know Yeji isn't the official visual but she def is the most talented.


    Ryujin is a good dancer but neither a good vocalist nor a decent rapper.


    Yuna, idek. She's not really standout in anything. Lia is ITZY's best vocalist but a weak rapper & dancer and Chaeryoung is a good dancer, average singer. Yeji remains the most rounded member.


    And NJs Hanni is who I'm talking about.

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    If we’re talking about official visuals, I don’t think their main reason for being in the group is their talent, even if they are talented. Of course, it wouldn’t be fair to say they’re completely untalented, but generally speaking, they’re not among the most skilled members in the group. I think this is a bit of an exaggerated issue. In my opinion, no one in kpop groups is completely talentless.

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    I'm talking about official visuals.


    And I thought we were talking about EXID Hanni :meme-life-support: and also Minji is the official visual so again, I'm talking about official visuals.

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    Quote from NmiXXSupremacist

    I blame kpop fans who buy this concept. Of course, the companies are primarily to blame, but if the fans didn't buy this with such enthusiasm, then i think this wouldn't be a thing anymore.

    Also i blame the fans directly because they have the power to change this, but they dont care. Companies won't do shit if it's not for money.

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    Quote from echo-sage

    If we’re talking about official visuals, I don’t think their main reason for being in the group is their talent, even if they are talented. Of course, it wouldn’t be fair to say they’re completely untalented, but generally speaking, they’re not among the most skilled members in the group. I think this is a bit of an exaggerated issue. In my opinion, no one in kpop groups is completely talentless.

    Miss A Suzy was the best vocalist in the group.


    Karina is the best dancer and rapper in Aespa.


    Irene dances better than Seulgi in jazz, tutting and Velvet or R&B/Snesual dance genres. Seulgi excels in hard hitting, popping and grounded genres.


    There are visuals who are the most talented in their groups in different ways.

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    Quote from NmiXXSupremacist

    I blame kpop fans who buy this concept. Of course, the companies are primarily to blame, but if the fans didn't buy this with such enthusiasm, then i think this wouldn't be a thing anymore.

    Do fans set beauty standards?


    Beauty standards are a real thing in all societies not just Kpop. Before fans are fans, they are citizens and residents of countries and communities that consider beauty before many things.


    I hear every pretty boy and girl easily gets a career on TV or as models in Korea if they choose to compared to average looking people.

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    Quote from CaraFIMIE

    Anyways, Eunji.


    Main vocalist of A‍PINK and a well-rounded dancer.

    Eunji's considered the visual of A‍pink? That's news to me. Visually, I wouldn't consider her even in the t‍op half of the group.

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    Quote from sonemariam

    Do fans set beauty standards?


    Beauty standards are a real thing in all societies not just Kpop. Before fans are fans, they are citizens and residents of countries and communities that consider beauty before many things.


    I hear every pretty boy and girl easily gets a career on TV or as models in Korea if they choose to compared to average looking people.

    Well, i think is wrong. Damn Western propaganda for teaching me to value people for their values rather than how they look.

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    Quote from NmiXXSupremacist

    I blame kpop fans who buy this concept. Of course, the companies are primarily to blame, but if the fans didn't buy this with such enthusiasm, then i think this wouldn't be a thing anymore.

    You could say the same thing about Kpop in general, and all its bad business practices, including the poor treatment of idols, that fans enable through their consumerism. But I don't think anyone's ready for that discussion.

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    No, "visuals" are not talentless. It's a stereotype. In most cases, the idol becomes a visual additionally, not instead of talent. Many of them are really strong in dancing, vocals, rap or acting, it's just that the appearance is the first to catch the eye, and people devalue the rest.Those you gave are just a good example: Yoona, Krystal, Suzy, Karina have proven their level both in groups and outside of them.

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