Do you think some idols falsify their support for minorities?

  • Do you think so? 19

    1. Yes (17) 89%
    2. No (2) 11%

    A random thought just occurred to me and Ive started thinking of all the idols who have ever come out in support of the LGBT+ communities, Palestinians, etc or even just given a slight hint of support and how much of that is just media play.


    I guess thats a really bad-faith mindset but there also arent a lot of idols who have showcased support so I guess its pointless to have such suspicions


    Have you ever had similar thoughts?

  • Perhaps it exists, but I think the ones who does only for mediaplay is a small percentage. On the internet, minorities end up having a lot of voice and presence, so it gives us a false sense of importance of our place in the world — in other's perspective — and what our struggle represents for the vast majority of people.


    But minorities are called minorities for a reason. It's not as beneficial to support us publicly as some might think. Maybe it is for niche artists, much smaller ones, who have those people as their audience and feel the need to please them so as not to lose the little support they have.


    But larger artists who capture a more significant percentage of the demographic have nothing to lose by not supporting minorities. They will continue to be successful and millionaires. So If they don't care, a least a little, I don't think most of them will move.

  • I'm not sure if "media play" would be the correct term here, since the Korean media probably couldn't care less about such people, but some idols definitely do it just for the fan service. Sometimes it's even quite forced, like when an idol holds up a rainbow flag just because it was thrown on stage. They wouldn't have "supported" anything if some fans didn't basically make them do it, and then it gets exaggerated and turned into something it isn't.

  • I think their support is genuine, but just like any other fan service, it’s often played up.


    In that way, it’s really not so different from what we’re used to seeing as fan service, but I can see why it can be deemed a bit more exploitative since the target demographic is a minority.

  • I wouldn't trust anything an idol said in public to be their true feelings . Just for example in 127 they haven't mentioned taeil once since he left . I'm pretty sure they are not allowed. So if at subject is sensitive they will probably avoid it and even lie .

  • For the 100th time i have to reiterate my feelings on this.


    I think it's utterly inexplicable that somehow, Kpop has become so popular among the liberal, woke, SJW crowd.


    There is NOTHING about Kpop that is woke. Kpop labels are hypercapitalistic fiefdoms run by CEOs that act like Mafia dons. They are pure packaged products to appeal to and be consumed by their younger, impressionable audience. They are products to their fans and just commodities to the CEOS to be used, exploited and thrown away after they age out or become also rans.


    There is nothing remotely progressive about Kpop in the music, lyrics, MVs, stages, and ancillary content. The idols want fame, money and to do what they love, Kpop has nothing to do with social movements on either side of the political spectrum.


    In fact, most international Kpop fans appear to be in denial about the political beliefs of their faves. We all saw the Magarina scandal that was huge in woke international fandom circles. There were other scandals attacking idols who appear to support MAGA or Trump, idols who were attacked for supporting Israel or just drinking Starbux coffee, etc etc.


    But the harsh truth is that prob half of all idols are conservative by our standards. Maybe more. If your fave is from Taegu, Busan, or other parts of the Eastern half of the country, most likely they are conservative to extremely conservative. Born again Christianity is also a huge part of the culture there.


    The one saving grace for leftists is that, apparently, at least LGBTQ is becoming more accepted among young people (from conversations with my parents and relatives in Korea). Older people are still opposed, some fiercely, like if i was gay and came out to my parents, they might literally die of a heart attack.


    This is the political map of Korea. It's pretty self explanatory i think.


  • There were other scandals attacking idols who appear to support MAGA or Trump

    Justified tbh. I think foreigners should have minded their own business instead of trying to guess Karina's political alignment, for the same reason that Koreans have no business supporting Trump, likely without having a clue what all he's done. It's not their politics, and they don't have to live with the consequences.


    I already know someone's going to mention how influential the US is, and how they think that makes it their business, but Trump's "America First" policy of purposely screwing over other countries (in addition to his own) just makes it all the more nonsensical for foreigners to voice support for him.

  • I think it depends on the cause, and I think it's like that for most celebrities. It's profitable to falsify support for minorities, and the kpop industry most likely sees that. I do feel there are some idols that are genuine, but I still don't have any expectations for idols to follow through. We have countless examples of idols not learning from past mistakes that happened in the past. I have very low expectations and I assume ignorance will continue because it doesn't affect their revenue to be ignorant toward minorities. Plus, they know fans will defend their favorites no matter what.


    Anyway, I think idols and companies see it as an opportunity because any little edge you gain over the competition will only benefit your group. So, it doesn't hurt to be supportive towards minorities. It might be unfair to think that because there's examples of idols being supportive, but it's hard to trust the entertainment industry when it comes to social issues.It's why I have low expectations, and my only hope is for the idol not to be ignorant towards minorities.

  • LSF Yunjin if I remember. She said she was pro-LGB

    She posts many positive messages on weverse and other outlets. I think LSF as a whole seem supportive of the LGBT community. However, it's the entertainment industry, so it's hard to trust what's genuine.I want to say based on actions of the group they support the community, but the cynic in me feels it could all be performative. I guess maybe it's healthier not to think that way, and hope they're being genuine. I still believe it's best to keep expectations low.


    Maybe these examples are all an act, but it does seem genuine. I'm most likely contradicting myself here, but I do think it's brave to show support knowing the possible backlash that can happen.


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  • I've never had such thoughts but of course...


    idols are primarily idols and do idol stuff


    of course some of the things they say and do are purely for the camera and do not reflect their true feelings...or some might just be indifferent...

  • LSF Yunjin if I remember. She said she was pro-LGB

    Do English speaking idols even count? Kard's BM has openly said he's pro Palestine but no other idol is going to dare say anything of this sort.


    I see more idols who are too scared to talk about anything tbh. They just make the occasional donations on their birthdays and that's it. No one else it doing anything about whether it's for clout or not.

  • Well, I'm sure there are many who use the so called "support" as a bait, and some are basically FORCED to speak up about these things thanks to toxic "fans", but I know many of them are real supporters.


    Honestly, it's easy to tell if someone is a real supporter or not, because they not just post a couple of pictures or something. If it's consistent, you know it's real.


    The same thing can be said about Queer baiting, that's a real thing everywhere, not just in Kpop.


    Most importantly, even if they are real supporters, Koreans tend to hate people who support the Queer community, so it's not that easy for everyone to speak up, especially if they're under big labels.


    One thing is for sure, my faves are not lying, but I can't judge others because I don't follow them, and I never met them to know anyway.


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