Who had a stronger 2025? IVE or aespa?
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IVE had a stronger year. Their songs charted well and each member improved their popularity.
Aespa is having a bad year for their standards. We have many saying 2024 was a fluke and they won't repeat it. Plus, they've been buried with controversies throughout the year. Also, their music is just ain't hitting except for 2 of their b-sides, but not many listen to b-sides. They seem to be chasing western recognition, but failed at every attempt. Meanwhile, groups that people called flops did a much better job than them , and charted on the billboard hot 100
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When these competing traumas collided in 1932, they ignited a conflict that would claim over 100,000 lives for a prize that proved to be as illusory as the oil dreams that started it all.
This thread reminded me of that situation so I voted IVE.
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everyone kinda flopped except huntrix, bp and adp to be honest...
aespa's year was very dissapointing in regard to their standarts and in comparaison to 24 specially, but i still think they did better than ive.
their numbers are just better. they didn't expand but i don't think they regressed either. whiplash is still the biggest gg song of this year alongside golden. and then jump / rebel heart.
it's not their fault if they had hybe tag pr on their *ss all year long
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everyone kinda flopped except huntrix, bp and adp to be honest...
aespa's year was very dissapointing in regard to their standarts and in comparaison to 24 specially, but i still think they did better than ive.
their numbers are just better. they didn't expand but i don't think they regressed either. whiplash is still the biggest gg song of this year alongside golden. and then jump / rebel heart.
it's not their fault if they had hybe tag pr on their *ss all year long
Stop making excuses for underperformance.
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I think the fact that there hasn't been NewJeans on the scene this year has undermined each group's potential for this year. Without such a strong contender, nearly every group has become too comfortable, and too lax to pump out really good songs.
IVE has seemingly done a good job (XOXV isn't one I'd listen to, unless prompted), and so has NMIXX (for once). However, the likes of Aespa and Le Sserafim have fallen off the wagon and are rolling around in the dust...
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Objectively speaking ? The only answer is aespa
- They have better digital points in 2025 than Ive ( 1.7 billion for aespa vs 1.1b for Ive)
- Their two comeback peaked at #2 in the chart while IVE two comebacks peaked at #1 and #5 = it shows that aespa have been more consistant in the chart in 2025 than Ive
- Internationally aespa have always performed much better than ive in these last years, and 2025 wasn't an exception neither
- In term of touring aespa also did better, both of them performed at KSPO dome this year ( IVE concert was just a few days ago) and aespa had more attendees
The only aspect where IVE had the advantages was in term of physical sales both of their mini album sold more than aespa releases
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We should be talking about the arts not the charts
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We should be talking about the arts not the charts
Preferable order:
Art > sales > charts
Charts are just bragging rights for labels and fandoms.
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We should be talking about the arts not the charts
Half the people wouldn't know "The Arts" if it punched them in their face and teabagged their mothers.
The Charts is all they care for.
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Objectively speaking ? The only answer is aespa
- They have better digital points in 2025 than Ive ( 1.7 billion for aespa vs 1.1b for Ive)
- Their two comeback peaked at #2 in the chart while IVE two comebacks peaked at #1 and #5 = it shows that aespa have been more consistant in the chart in 2025 than Ive
- Internationally aespa have always performed much better than ive in these last years, and 2025 wasn't an exception neither
- In term of touring aespa also did better, both of them performed at KSPO dome this year ( IVE concert was just a few days ago) and aespa had more attendees
The only aspect where IVE had the advantages was in term of physical sales both of their mini album sold more than aespa releases
Well if you're looking at things objectively, then you should also make some effort to contextualize their respective years.
A flat numbers comparison is simple, but it barely scratches the surface of telling the story behind the numbers.
IVE was coming off a year where people were starting to doubt them, with their most recent comeback failing to even hit #1.
aespa was coming off a career best year that will now obviously be remembered as their apex as a group, and they had their sights set on building off that momentum and growing, especially in the West.
With that additional context, I could easily make arguments for IVE having the most impressive year, and that's without factoring in the huge void and opportunity presented by the hiatus of NewJeans.
Lastly, there is critical reception to consider, and I don't think anyone is championing Dirty Work or Rich Man as two of the best girl group releases of the year.
Just offering a different perspective.
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We should be talking about the arts not the charts
I just talked about both
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Stop making excuses for underperformance.
I recognized it tho
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Half the people wouldn't know "The Arts" if it punched them in their face and teabagged their mothers.
The Charts is all they care for.
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Well if you're looking at things objectively, then you should also make some effort to contextualize their respective years.
A flat numbers comparison is simple, but it barely scratches the surface of telling the story behind the numbers.
IVE was coming off a year where people were starting to doubt them, with their most recent comeback failing to even hit #1.
aespa was coming off a career best year that will now obviously be remembered as their apex as a group, and they had their sights set on building off that momentum and growing, especially in the West.
With that additional context, I could easily make arguments for IVE having the most impressive year, and that's without factoring in the huge void and opportunity presented by the hiatus of NewJeans.
Lastly, there is critical reception to consider, and I don't think anyone is championing Dirty Work or Rich Man as two of the best girl group releases of the year.
Just offering a different perspective.
the Question is : WHO HAD THE STRONGER YEAR ?
Like who care if they charted in top 200 and suddenly end up in top 10 ( i'm not saying it's ive case)
It deserve to be acknowledge and applause
But the fact that they were charting at #2 in 2024 and then hit #1 in 2025
Just doesn't automatically make of them the group with the stronger year
Especially when they peak at #1 and then couldn't enter top 3 few months after
Aespa didn't top the chart, yes
But all their comeback have peaked in the top 2 so they clearly show that they were consistant with their performance, and i feel consistency is much better
So at the end of the day
Aespa just have been stronger in term of national charting, internationally, touring, and also more consistant through the whole year with their digital performance
And like i said i do give the physical argument to Ive cuz each one of their release have sold more than aespa release
But being the strongest in one area isn't enough to consider you the strongest group when the other group you compare them to, have been doing much better than them overall
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This comment is dirty work
I think mods should ban Tatty again
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It's not even the best IVE song.
it is
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Well if you're looking at things objectively, then you should also make some effort to contextualize their respective years.
A flat numbers comparison is simple, but it barely scratches the surface of telling the story behind the numbers.
IVE was coming off a year where people were starting to doubt them, with their most recent comeback failing to even hit #1.
aespa was coming off a career best year that will now obviously be remembered as their apex as a group, and they had their sights set on building off that momentum and growing, especially in the West.
With that additional context, I could easily make arguments for IVE having the most impressive year, and that's without factoring in the huge void and opportunity presented by the hiatus of NewJeans.
Lastly, there is critical reception to consider, and I don't think anyone is championing Dirty Work or Rich Man as two of the best girl group releases of the year.
Just offering a different perspective.
If people make a similar argument about how sweet Yama would lose his shit
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the Question is : WHO HAD THE STRONGER YEAR ?
Like who care if they charted in top 200 and suddenly end up in top 10 ( i'm not saying it's ive case)
It deserve to be acknowledge and applause
But the fact that they were charting at #2 in 2024 and then hit #1 in 2025
Just doesn't automatically make of them the group with the stronger year
Especially when they peak at #1 and then couldn't enter top 3 few months after
Aespa didn't top the chart, yes
But all their comeback have peaked in the top 2 so they clearly show that they were consistant with their performance, and i feel consistency is much better
So at the end of the day
Aespa just have been stronger in term of national charting, internationally, touring, and also more consistant through the whole year with their digital performance
And like i said i do give the physical argument to Ive cuz each one of their release have sold more than aespa release
But being the strongest in one area isn't enough to consider you the strongest group when the other group you compare them to, have been doing much better than them overall
You're going to argue consistency when, compared to 2024, their songs are on free fall on MelOn? Have you looked lately and seen that Dirty Work is already charting below Whiplash, while Rich Man is about to start charting below IVE's latest title track?
That's anything but consistency, unless you're setting the bar at just initial chart position and not longevity, which I know isn't true, since you didn't hesitate to sing the superlatives of the aforementioned Whiplash with its longevity records, not to mention Supernova.
There is also an additional context that must be considered: EXPECTATIONS
Because aespa had such a stellar 2024, and because the stage was set for them to firmly establish themselves as the undisputed top girl group in the absence of NewJeans, their underperformance sticks out more, especially the multiple swings and misses in the West, on top of the image hits from the scandals, fair or unfair.
I am not denying you the right to your opinion, but you argued that the ONLY answer can be aespa if one is being objective, and I think that is objectively not true.
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I think the fact that there hasn't been NewJeans on the scene this year has undermined each group's potential for this year. Without such a strong contender, nearly every group has become too comfortable, and too lax to pump out really good songs.
IVE has seemingly done a good job (XOXV isn't one I'd listen to, unless prompted), and so has NMIXX (for once). However, the likes of Aespa and Le Sserafim have fallen off the wagon and are rolling around in the dust...
Don't include LSF for a group that disappointed in 2025. If anything they recovered and did something that Aespa were desperately trying to do.
One could argue that LSF achieved their goals for 2025 and Aespa didn’t reach their goals . There’s no way SM thought they would fail to appear on billboard top 100 and not have a #1 song released in 2025 .
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Don't include LSF for a group that disappointed in 2025. If anything they recovered and did something that Aespa were desperately trying to do.
One could argue that LSF achieved their goals for 2025 and Aespa didn’t reach their goals . There’s no way SM thought they would fail to appear on billboard top 100 and not have a #1 song released in 2025 .
As I said, charts are bragging rights...
Anyway, its sales did poorly for the first week, and the worst since their debut, debuting above Fearless.
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Give her a break, it's just another conspiracy theory of hers
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Yama realizing he can’t shade LSFM as planned.
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Yama realizing he can’t shade LSFM as planned.
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I think they are about the same
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How many world's tour has aespa done?
Two right?
If your going to compare. Compare Ives first world tour with aespa first. Even then how many shows did aespa do with their second world tour vs how many Ives. If we can get the numbers. You can't say aespa did bigger numbers when if they had 7 extra shows right?
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Yama realizing he can’t shade LSFM as planned.
The fact he's excluding LSRF from the conversation is a shade itself
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Ahyein agrees. Stan yujin
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You're going to argue consistency when, compared to 2024, their songs are on free fall on MelOn
First of all the question is "who had the strongest year in 2025" so why are you talking about 2024
and yes i'm talking about consistency cuz they have been consistant in 2025 with all their songs charting in the top 2
a consistency that IVE didn't have in 2025 with their song charting at #1 and then unable to enter the top 4 of the chart
it's still really a really great performance in the chart from IVE but it's just not consistant
Have you looked lately and seen that Dirty Work is already charting below Whiplash
Once again let's stick to the question that is " who between aespa or ive had the strongest year in 2025"
it's not " which year was the strongest for aespa : 2024 or 2025" so your obsession of trying to always bring aespa 2024 number is irrelevant to a discussion who's supposed to talk about 2025 performance
while Rich Man is about to start charting below IVE's latest title track?
And now you are justify "Ive having a stronger year " with supposition and theories
cuz from what i'm seeing Rich man is still charting 2 spot higher than XOXZ and it doesn't look like XOXZ is going to take Rich man down soon neither
Ive fans have been saying this for the past month but it never happen
but personally i'm not a fan of theories, i prefer to stick to the fact and evidence
and the fact are saying that Rich man peaked higher than XOXZ and have a better longevity currently
There is also an additional context that must be considered: EXPECTATIONS
I bet you don't even notice how dumb your argument is because you're blinded by your dumb attempt to try to look down on aespa with this thread
yes expectations for aespa in 2025 were higher than they were for IVE
but expectations have nothing to do with having a stronger or less strong year
that's something that's calculated based on their overall performance, in chart, sales, touring etc...
and these numbers prove that Aespa had a bigger year than IVE
You don't say someone who lift 100kg is stronger than someone who lifted 200kg
only because everybody expected the first person to only be able to lift 50kg
it's so stupid as an argument and irrelevant to a discussion about the STRONGER group this year
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As I said, charts are bragging rights...
Anyway, its sales did poorly for the first week, and the worst since their debut, debuting above Fearless.
It was a singles album. I think we have to wait for next comeback to see where the sales are at. I disagree that charts are just for bragging rights because it does let you know if casual listeners are checking out content .
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. attitude was fine tho, it just didn't suit ive.
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