Am I wrong to think that you can't really say you wrote (or produced) the song if there are like tons of people participating in it

Quote from xx-jenn-xx

I’ve always wondered how that works when there’s 5–7 people on the credits. Like, are they each handling a specific part...lyrics, melody, arrangement, hook, etc.? I can understand 2–3 people collaborating closely, but when it gets higher than that I’m curious how the process is split up and why so many hands are needed.

one person creates the drum/percussion sounds

another person creates the bassline

another person is in charge of the other instruments (guitar/synth/keyboard)

another .... makes the general story

another .... converts the story into music lyrics

another .... assigns pitches/melody to the lyrics

another .... mixes all the layers of sounds i.e. adjusts the volume of all the different layers e.g. vocals, bassline, drums, other instruments .... so that everything overall sounds good

the choreographers also give their feedback .... to make the sound fit to the choreo ideas that they've come up with

This is how some kpop groups got popular for “writing” their songs lol.

Some companies don’t distinguish song writing from lyrics writing in their official album credits easily fooling fans. Mostly idols are writing a few words of the lyrics and get called authentic song writing genius lol.

All this is known only some gullible kpop fans believe in all this rubbish I guess.

Very few authentic song writers in kpop.

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

A lot of things are sampled, a lot of songs are reworked demos, some songs are bought from writing camps etc, that's just the way pop music is moving. You can't tell from a credits list alone how much each writer wrote or what lines

I don't judge it too much fr

If you have premium subscription to some websites the exact breakdown of % contribution is listed on some official copy right sites.

Usually in kpop case it’s easy to guess who is the main song writer, they usually have the demo. The others just participated in minimal “kpop-fication” of the demo. In SM case at least it’s always like this.

Well, just use the standard, have they written more than 50 % of the lyrics? yes or no? If no, they have not really written the song.

And I have never understood why it's so many people involved in some songs, really sounds a strange way to make songs.

If there's many writers/composers listed, and there's an idol name slapped on last, I don't take it seriously.

Anyone can write lyrics. I can write "i love you" and then get credit as a "songwriter". Absolute bunk, we all know this.

To write the actual music including melody, harmony, chords, chord progressions, then adding in the drum, bass, other instrumental lines and riffs...shit takes a LOT MORE SKILL obviously. But even in this case, with computers and now AI literally writing entire songs for you, the skilled part of songwriting is taking a definite turn for the worst. Nowadays any chili dog nerd sitting in front of a computer can "compose" songs by pressing a few buttons.

This wasnt the case back when i was a kid. We had real songwriters back then.

They were musty looking af, some probably didnt shower for weeks, but boy oh boy, were they FUCKING TALENTED. Jim Steinman, Bruce Springsteen, 80s hair metal bands like Guns and Roses and Bon Jovi. Ladies represented as well by best folk singers Indigo Girls.

Mozart level composers sitting in front of pianos, writing lyrics and actual notes into sheet music. Churning out literal rock operas and pop folk epics that would make even Bach and Beethoven look twice and doing it without by themselves without 3405 other randos on the credit line.

Many of the best producers around the world have multiple people working on a song. Sometimes you can view producers as a conductor/director where they direct a person to work on certain parts of the beat. You can look at most genres, and you will notice there is usually 1-2+ producers working on a track.

In the present there's a lot of songs that get created in writers camps which is why you'll see like 10+ names on a track. Whatever contribution they had on a song will earn them a credit. Writing is also tricky because a person might be good at writing choruses but they might not be good at writing the verse.

I think we have to look at production and writing as a team effort because it usually takes more than 1 person to get the final product. The best way to see how much a person contributed is to see where there name is placed on the credits. If they're top billing, then they had a major contribution.

idk about all of these but whenever I see "hitman bang" credited, I become fully aware that he did absolutely nothing

we blame the purple fandom who kept harassing other idols for not writing their songs while their own faves being on the credits with ten other writers too. Well at least as long as bts song not turned out controversial then it's suddenly other writers fault and their idols only wrote 2 words in it.

At least we know when it's really Soyeon or Teddy, because of the gibberish english