Do you think Kazuha has the potential to become one of kpop's top female dancers in the future?

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    1. OMG yes! (3) 33%
    2. Absolutely NOT! (6) 67%

    Ballet in general is unarguably one of the hardest forms of dance and it is needless to say how this can impact a dancer's life. Some of the most renowned dancers across the globe have had some exposure to ballet and despite not sticking with it for a longer time, the discipline remains there and it shows.


    Kazuha has practiced ballet for 15 years and counting and at this stage, as a retired dancer myself, I can confidently say that she displays and will continue to display most of the qualities that make up an exceptional dancer with the help of ballet that taught her the art of discipline.


    From attention to detail, to an understanding of shapes, forms, and lines, to artistic expression and musicality. Ballet is quite literally THAT bitch and it instills the disciplines of each into every single practitioner who possesses to will to learn and improve.


    Anyway, I really think that with the help of ballet she has managed to evolve her dance talent into something that even casuals would appreciate and this shows in the way that she was able to quickly adapt to idol dancing despite both being opposites in terms of things like expression (in ballet, you are encourage to put on a pleasant, graceful, and relaxed expression throughout while in idol dancing, you are encourage to put on different expressions that match the "concept." And I really believe that she can go even further with the right resources given to her.


    Do you agree with this? Why or why not?

  • No


    Of course ballet is a very strict dance where discipline is needed

    But the problem with ballet is that practicing ballet for too long restrict your possibility to learn more dances


    I'm not saying it's impossible

    But it's more difficult for a ballet dancer to move to another style of dancing

    Compare to a hip hop dancer for example


    I'll focus maily on hip hop cuz it's the only dance i learn and most of kpop dancing use more hip hop moves


    First of all the rythmic in ballet and hip hop is completely different, in hip hop it's all about having the flow and feeling the beat while in ballet it's all about counting


    Hip hop is much more groovy, relaxed while ballet is much more upright


    Even the way to use your body is completely different, ballet is all about the lines, the shapes of your body

    Which are things not very important in hip hop where it's a lot of isolation, and fluidity of your body which is the opposite of ballet


    Even in the way to move, ballet is more "vertical" and trying to be light

    While hip hop is more "horizontal", you're more grounded doing hip hop, you need sometimes to be more heavy on your feet

    You use your hips, you bend a lot your knees etc... Which is unatural for ballet dancer


    Also in hip hop you need to be stronger, your moves need to feel impactful and strong while in ballet they teach you that you move need to be graceful and light


    Like i said it's not impossible to learn and improve in more hip hop focus style of dancing

    But usually unlearning what you acquire for years is harder than learning a new things


    And in Lesserafim choregraphy who are also more hip hop oriented you can still see that Kazuha have some leftover from ballet that looks prejudicial in her dancing


    She can improve of course but unless she takes some real class and not just learning the choregraphy of her next cb she'll never be one of the top female dancer of kpop


    Especially when we have in kpop female idols that spent years learning dance style more fitted for kpop like popping, hip hop etc...and have acquire more diversity through their training.


    Idols like Boa, Minzy, Hyoyeon, Juun, juhyeon, bailey sok, lisa, chaeryeong and chaeyeon, etc...

  • This makes no sense.


    Firstly, I will acknowledge that yes its hard to go into other dances after being in ballet for too long but if you say that it isn't impossible then how does that eradicate her potential?


    And secondly, unlearning isn't required. As a matter of fact, in Kazuha's case, she isn't unlearning. She's proactively adapting as evidenced by the fact that she still practices ballet to this day...just not as strictly as before and that is exactly why her potential is even stronger. Adaptation is key.


    Hip hop and ballet may seem like complete opposites (which they almost are) but there are skills that you learn in one than can better prepare you to be able to thrive more easily in the other. Something that, again, she is proactively doing.


    When I watch Kazuha dance, nothing is perfect about it but I still enjoy doing so because I can see little elements of her ballet roots which makes watching her a much more seamless and enjoyable experience because each moves seems connected and more than just a choreography.


    And she has better flow than some of the people you mentioned. Just saying.

  • And secondly, unlearning isn't required. As a matter of fact, in Kazuha's case, she isn't unlearning. She's proactively adapting as evidenced by the fact that she still practices ballet to this day...just

    She is unlearning

    And that's okay it's not something bad

    If you watch some interview or documentary it's okay a lot of dancer talk about having to unlearn thing that they learn for years

    That are incompatible with the new style of dancing that they are trying to learn


    To be able to pick up the good habit to learn a new style of dance


    I don't know why you are acting like unlearning some of the things she learn in ballet to be able to pick up the good thing about the new style of dancing she's trying to learn is a bad thing


    Unlearning isn't an insult


    Hip hop and ballet may seem like complete opposites (which they almost are) but there are skills that you learn in one than can better prepare you to be able to thrive more easily in the other. Something that, again, she is proactively doing.

    Did i say it's only bad thing

    But ballet dancer have more disadvantage in learning hip hop than let's say

    A jazz dancer or a contemporary dancer cuz these dances also include some isolation moves , are very grounded and are a mix of sharp and fluid movement

    So it's easier for them to transition to hip hop


    Similarly a ballroom dancer for example face more con than a jazz dancer but it's easier for them than a ballet dancer

    Because rythm and musicality is very strong in the ballroom culture

    But they also face some con because they are very upright and very "presentation oriented" + the ballroom and hip hop culture are completely different


    But ballet face more cons than most other dancers that's why i focus more on the cons that a ballet dancer have to face


    When I watch Kazuha dance, nothing is perfect about it but I still enjoy doing so because I can see little elements of her ballet roots which makes watching her a much more seamless and enjoyable experience because each moves seems connected and more than just a choreography.


    Well for you cuz you're from a ballet background so you see in kazuha some of the things that you have too

    So that's why her dancing style is more fitted for you and you enjoy watching her more


    And she has better flow than some of the people you mentioned. Just saying

    And here it show that you're just veing delusional


    First of all kazuha looks sometimes very stif when doing more grounded moves

    + A lot of her moves lack of rawness and power because it's contrary to what she learnt to do for all these years

    Some of the moves she do sometimes especially with moves who requires isolation , and pop or locks feels underdevelop

    And while dancing she lack some bounce sometimes


    But it's okay it's not bad to accept that she still have a lot of flaws in the type of dance that are required in kpop


    And it's normal she spent years training in ballet so she have a lot of things that her body consider as normal and do naturally know to unlearn to be able to adjust more naturally to more hip hop / commercial dancing , and makes her body consider this as normal


    + She didn't have a lot of time as trainee under hybe to have the time to adjust and learn a lot more dance and gain in diversity in her style of dancing

    And with their schedules it's not like she had the time to go and train with profesionnal dancer to adjust

    So she's basically trying to unlearn and learn new things and make her body adapt on stage


    So it's okay to just accept that she still have a lot of flaws


    And i'm not saying that she's not going to improve, obviously the more she perform and train the more her body will adjust


    But to say that she might become one of the best dancer in kpop is a bit exaggerated

    Considering the amount of good female dancer in kpop who took years of training in dancing before joining a kpop company and then kept training for years under these companies learning new dance style etc...

    And already had in their skills before joining a company what kazuha is trying to learn currently

  • I know she's a trained dancer in Ballet, but is she better than some of the top 4th gen idol dancers? I think Yeji and Chaeryeong are better at performing idol music. Then I think many sleep on some of the members of kep1er. It's tough to say because this is very subjective but even in LSF I think Chaewon is the best dancer in group at performing their songs.


    To answer question she does have the potential because she will have naturally trained talent. However, is tough to determine if that translates to performing as an idol

  • She is unlearning

    You can't unlearn something you continue to learn, Sooyoung. She still practices ballet.


    I never stated that she is flawless. I specifically highlighted her ability to quickly adapt and that's about it.


    I'll stand by that and I won't argue with you any further in an effort to respect your opinion.

  • I think her ballet training gives her an advantage over people who never had any dance training, but those who were trained to dance the styles idols typically dance (hip hop mostly) will still pick up idol dancing better. It really depends how you define "top dancer" in kpop, are you defining it as whoever is best at executing idol choreography, or who generally has the best technical skill in any genre? But if you make things that general then it's really difficult to compare and rank who is the best

  • potential - of course

    but then again everybody has potential if they put in the work and effort


    I guess that then turns to the distinction between whether something is possible vs probable


    is it possible for Kazuha to become...yes

    is it probably...I would say no


    has there been in the entirety of kpop any idol who was say average at the beginning of their career in either of the three fields - singing, dancing, rap to then become one of the top (say top 3/5?) at years 3 5 or 7? I can't think of any off the top of my head

  • Does Kazuha have any ambitions to be considered a top dancer? Usually when an idol does so, they do a lot of dance performance videos and things like that but I don’t think I’ve seen Kazuha do any (correct me if I am wrong)

  • Watch this video and tell me its not satisfying to see Kazuha dance, you'll be lying to yourself


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