BTS don't seem to have the kind of control their fans say they do.

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    Releasing songs despite disliking them to recuperate for the loss of the tour because the company wants it.


    I think it makes sense why RM went no contact with the group and the company while assembling his team of k-hip hop and k-indie heavyweight and working on his solo project. Also explains the lack of promotion or any mention of the project from the company. You don't work with them they don't care about you.


    Now I am interested to hear what they think about Permission to Dance.

  • AllKill VIP

    Sorry OP - I am too tired to have to explain it all since you have a such doubts about BTS so I used AI to quickly summarize what the BTS members have said.


    Me - Of course Dynamite isn’t the members favorite - it’s literally not one of their own songs. Just because they don’t really like it as their favorites, doesn’t mean they totally hate it. It so annoying as always to see no nuance in the KPOP world.


    The whole using Dynamite as a strategy to recoup tour lost lol. Go back in time to when it was released - everyone went land said BTS pandering to the West and no one thought this song would be one of their biggest hits.


    But it did open many new opportunities for them and now it is what it is. 1 of 3 Eng trilogy songs that has a love hate reputation in the fandom.


    Re Dynamite:


    BTS released "Dynamite" with the intention of spreading positive energy and joy during a difficult time, particularly amidst the COVID-19 pandemic. They wanted to offer a message of healing and comfort to their fans, and the song aimed to be a source of strength and reassurance. The release was not initially planned as a strategy to gain popularity in the West, according to reports on Reddit.


    Purpose:
    BTS explicitly stated that "Dynamite" was created with the goal of providing positive vibes and a healing message to their fans.


    Pandemic Impact:
    The group acknowledged that the COVID-19 pandemic influenced the song's creation, with the desire to offer solace and encouragement during a challenging time.


    Fans as a Focus:
    BTS highlighted their relationship with their fans, as reported by Teen Vogue, and emphasized that "Dynamite" was a way to connect with them and offer support.


    Not a Planned Strategy:
    While "Dynamite" achieved significant global success, BTS has clarified that it wasn't solely designed as a strategy to gain popularity in the West.


    Personal Challenges:
    The pandemic also impacted BTS's ability to perform live, which led to a feeling of being unable to fully be themselves.


    There is a whole Ryan Seacrest interview that has all this in a video.

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    Re RM and solo activities vs group. Edit he was with some members and all of their parents at JHOPE’s concert in March 2025. He isn’t avoiding them LOL


    BTS members, including RM, have spoken openly about the balance between group and solo activities, acknowledging the need for both while also emphasizing the importance of the group's dynamic.


    They've highlighted how solo projects allow for individual growth and exploration, while the group remains a core element of their identity and a source of strength.


    Here's a more detailed look:

    RM's Perspective:

    Boat Analogy:
    RM often uses the metaphor of a boat to describe BTS, emphasizing that while each member may be looking in different directions, they are all ultimately going the same way. This highlights the individual interests and paths while maintaining a collective goal.


    Individuality and Strength:
    RM has recognized the need for each member to explore their own musical interests and develop their individual talents. He believes this strengthens the group's foundation for the long run.


    Importance of Group Dynamic:
    Despite the emphasis on solo work, RM has stressed that BTS remains a core part of their identity and a source of strength for them.


    Guilt and Reflection:
    RM has expressed feeling some guilt about wanting the group to take a break for individual pursuits, acknowledging the impact on fans and the importance of the group's bond.


    Other Members' Views:

    Independently Growing:
    Members like Suga, J-Hope, and Jungkook have also spoken about the opportunity to explore different musical genres and expand their creative horizons through solo projects.


    Strengthening Group Foundation:
    HYBE has stated that the solo projects are intended to help members achieve personal growth, which they believe will further strengthen the group's foundation.


    Continuing Group Activities:
    Despite the focus on solo work, BTS has made it clear that they do not intend to disband and will continue to work together as a group.


    In essence:

    BTS views their individual solo work as an opportunity for personal growth and exploration.


    They acknowledge the importance of the group dynamic and the strength it provides.


    The members understand the impact of their decisions on fans and have been mindful of their commitments to the group.
    They believe that balancing solo and group activities is crucial for both their individual and collective growth.

    If it were up to the members, thanks to Suga collaborating with IU, whatever it released would have lost to Eight in Korea and that would have been the end of BTS.

    And do you think Western artists release whatever music they want whenever they want? All major artists are under contract to giant companies in a multi-billion dollar industry that is primarily focused on profit. So chart performance is important for the artist's exposure to a global audience and for that they need to release 'commercial songs'.


    The involvement in the selection, production and composition of the music is what varies from artist to artist.

    Need to push back on some of this.


    An artist releasing a song as a commercial record and expecting certain returns isn't anything new. My understanding is that BTS were already charting at #4 on Billboard with ON and any song released at that time with slight industry push would have done well. I would assume there was at least some expectations for the song to do well. At least from the label even if not from the members themselves. Columbia Records and Ron Perry were directly involved in the song's promotions. It had massive radioplay and well planned remixes. Maybe they didn't expect the behemoth that the song became but they also didn't expect a bomb.


    About the song being for fans narrative. I believe it not in the sense that it was meant to comfort fans or something. I think that's a less cynical way to look at things. The more cynical would be to take it as a marketing narrative because until then they had been saying that they didn't intend to release English music. I believe them in the sense that they knew they had to release something because they are a very content heavy group. Tour cancelation was a problem. They didn't expect hundreds of millions of dollars the way a tour would have garnered from these singles but they expected something at least and it would be disingenuous to claim otherwise.


    It's a widely accepted narrative in the BTS fandom but the thing is a lot of backlash against the English trilogy came from their own fans and the songs were genuinely divisive. They have always mimicked Coldplay's career path. An indie band originally ostracized by their own community and critics received highly well later on but the more commercial they became the more respectability they lost with the old guard.

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    And do you think Western artists release whatever music they want whenever they want? All major artists are under contract to giant companies in a multi-billion dollar industry that is primarily focused on profit. So chart performance is important for the artist's exposure to a global audience and for that they need to release 'commercial songs'.


    The involvement in the selection, production and composition of the music is what varies from artist to artist.

    What are you talking about? I literally dissed Coldplay in my earlier comment. You are arguing against something I didn't even say.

    I was quoting RM verbatim.


    None of this goes against what I am saying though.


    The point has always been that the fan narrative around BTS and their marketed image vs their reality doesn't match 1:1.

  • AllKill VIP

    We have people posting AI sludge now. Surely this has to count as spam?

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    Most companies don't even ask the members what they think of the song. It's funny how kpop fans pretend that bts is only doing it for the money, when they care more about the art than their faves do

    Everyone is in it for the money. E-v-e-r-y-o-n-e. And it's actually pretty normal for older, established groups to have some input on their song selection, but you'd be kidding yourself to think they get the final say. Record companies aren't going to give their carefully packaged product the opportunity to sabotage themselves.

  • AllKill VIP

    Releasing a digital single song would not have recuperated the loss from a multiple stadium tour in a normal circumstance

    It was lowkey a miracle the way the song picked up after the initial push and eventually did make up for the loss (and got them a grammy nom which was the more likely reason for releasing an English song)

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    We have people posting AI sludge now. Surely this has to count as spam?

    Everyone is in it for the money. E-v-e-r-y-o-n-e. And it's actually pretty normal for older, established groups to have some input on their song selection, but you'd be kidding yourself to think they get the final say. Record companies aren't going to give their carefully packaged product the opportunity to sabotage themselves.

    I never said that bts likes to work for free. My point is that they write and produce a lot of their songs and actually have some input on concepts unlike some groups. Also I didn’t say anything about the final say, you’re putting words in my mouth to seem smart 🥱

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  • AllKill VIP

    Uhm where TF did you get your narrative from what he said??? Lmaoooooo

    He literally said the members liked the other two demos LESS than dynamite and they had 3 choices. :skull:


    If the pandemic didn't happen they wouldn't have released DYNAMITE. That's all they have said lmaooo


    You know why?

    They'd be on TOUR instead !


    Yet you want to talk about how much control BTS have. You know why??? Because you kpop stans already have a narrative that you've been trying for YEARS to prove is true. Y'all will twist whatever words that come out of their mouth to suit your narrative.


    Go listen to your faves ENGLISH songs and leave BTS' alone. 🤣

    lots of artists don't necessarily love the songs they release and some GG who have matured also don't really "love" their earlier songs (for example Twice)

    it doesn't mean they hate the song


    and also remember that for the majority of kpop groups they have no or little say in the songs they release (at least in the beginning of their careers)

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