[POLL] The waves are changing for NJZ. Should they go back to ADOR?

The answer is not "should" or "should not" because they WON'T

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What's your point?

I didn't get it, but I'm definetly editing the poll, tks

Through their attitude toward HYBE, I'm certain they will never return there, no matter how many times they lose the lawsuit. This has gone too far.

No.

they've said on numerous occasions that they will never return back to ador

one argument posited is that they went on hiatus to deliberately refrain from going back to ador

no they would again say illit ignored them

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It's about what you think is best, not what they stated

it doesn't matter what I think - my opinion ultimately doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things when the members themselves have voiced their opinions on the matter very strongly

what I think is best is whatever decision that they make. Whether that is ultimately in their best interests only time will tell but they made it and live with it

i know hybe were slick when they bring bts name in the case, now armys are on NJZ ahh and they will get the full BP experience.

Hybe gonna drag this for years, they gonna took whatever left of NJZ.

Wether it's time, money, fame, opportunity, public sentiment, future career.

It won't matter if NJZ back to ADOR or not, hybe will set an example of the NJZ for the entire industry

It's okay. Everything will be fine. They have MHJ on their side.

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i know hybe were slick when they bring bts name in the case

Didn't that already happen when the shaman convos were leaked? MHJ herself hates BTS, armys were always going to hate her (and by extension, newjeans who insist she's the 6th member).

To answer the OP, no they should not. Hybe employees shouldn't have walk on eggshells and work around people who might take them to court for looking at them the wrong way.

I don't think it matters at this point. They've already passed the point of no return and ruined their careers. Even if they were to return to Ador now, they wouldn't be nearly as succesful as before and they'd very likely be mistreated for real because of what they did. Their only other option, the one they insist on, is wasting their prime idol years on a futile legal battle.

Does it matter, whether they go back or not they are going to be dungeoned anyway.

Hybe is going to make an example of Newjeans so no other idols/trainee will ever think of ever going against

Hybe.

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Didn't that already happen when the shaman convos were leaked? MHJ herself hates BTS, armys were always going to hate her (and by extension, newjeans who insist she's the 6th member).

To answer the OP, no they should not. Hybe employees shouldn't have walk on eggshells and work around people who might take them to court for looking at them the wrong way.

yeah but the hate was on MHJ back then, but now it's full on the NJZ girls. it's kinda over tho wether njz back on hybe or not.

So many low tier losers hoping and praying for their downfall like the public sentiment won't flip immediately if NJZ win their appeal and MHJ wins her court cases on top of that.

Hell no they shouldn't go back, and all this doomposting over some Tag PR bot comments and deranged terminally online incels is a joke.

If LSF can rebound from having a MUCH worse downfall reputationally, to the point it even destroyed their charting (this hasn't happened to NJZ), then one of the most beloved girl groups of all time will be fine.

No if they don’t want to go back ——- for any reason even if they have no legit reason to leave. They can leave if they want to. I believe any artist should be able to terminate their contract at anytime.

THE issue have always been about “how to go” in a way that is legally binding and is fair to both sides.

They messed up re their strategy on “how to leave” as we all see in going down this past year. They picked MHJ and have been influenced heavily by her and haven’t won validity of their claims via the court. It didn’t help that re the discrepancies and painting themselves as revolutionaries either

The smart way was to never picked a side re the MHJ vs HYBE and negotiate a break of their contract with their own lawyers - not from same company as MHJ’s - from the get go. Mediate the penalty fee and part ways with some mutual agreement with ADOR/HYBE and not burn all the bridges in KPOP

If they want any chance to save their career, yes they should.

If they want to keep shooting themselves in the foot, then by all means, continue this circus.

too late. Ador and HYBE not gonna spend any money on them anymore while NJZ have no faith in Ador.

From the Video

Table of Contents
Q: Can I get your overall take on today’s ruling? (00:34)
Q: What was your assessment of NewJeans’ legal case? Would proving the alleged mistreatment be enough to say that the contract is void? (1:25)
Q: Does the Korean court have jurisdiction over a concert taking place in Hong Kong? (3:55)

Q: This injunction is understood to be a temporary measure. What could be the consequences if the band proceeds with the performance as planned? (4:39)

Q: Will HYBE continue to maintain a relatively conciliatory stance? Why? (6:11)

Q: What is your overall assessment of the court’s decision? (7:15)
Q: Do you think it’s possible for the relationship between NewJeans and ADOR or HYBE to be restored? (7:51)
Q: How do you think this ruling will affect Min Hee-jin? (8:40)
Q: Some fans still view Min Hee-jin and NewJeans as being on the same side. Do you think that view is still valid? (9:21)
Q: What changes do you foresee in NewJeans' advertising or public activities following this ruling? (9:54)
Q: There has been talk of a new song release, and questions have arisen regarding whether Min Hee-jin was involved in its production. Could this be a legal issue? (10:15)

Q: Do you believe Min Hee-jin’s actions constitute "tampering"? (11:08)

Q: Could this injunction decision affect the civil lawsuits between ADOR and Min Hee-jin? (11:47)
Q: This decision has made the difference in interests between NewJeans and Min Hee-jin even more clear? (12:12)

So this was before the Hong Kong CON...

Where NJZ blocked ADOR Staff and announced their debut and hiatus but indicates that NJZ has made it clear they don't want to return.

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Taking in all your point of views and I’m left with only bad possible outcomes:

NJZ either goes back to ADOR, get real mistreated for what they’ve caused and are made into an example by HYBE OR NJZ wait till’ the end of the lawsuit and even if they win, it’ll be already too late for them to regain anything close to their status before the shit went down.

I like to think that if they are to go back now, they could still work through their issues and set new work rules that protects the idols and move on. HYBE can overcome the comments that will come from dumb ass people making fun of them for going back and make lots of money out of their biggest act after BTS.

Don't worry njz have most loyal fan base even if they loss against hype they still have bunnies

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Taking in all your point of views and I’m left with only bad possible outcomes:

NJZ either goes back to ADOR, get real mistreated for what they’ve caused and are made into an example by HYBE OR NJZ wait till’ the end of the lawsuit and even if they win, it’ll be already too late for them to regain anything close to their status before the shit went down.

I like to think that if they are to go back now, they could still work through their issues and set new work rules that protects the idols and move on. HYBE can overcome the comments that will come from dumb ass people making fun of them for going back and make lots of money out of their biggest act after BTS.

but they won't

they've said so many times they won't and refuse to return to Ador

I mean hell after the court judgment which they said they abide by (whilst waiting to appeal/object - I don't know the difference) they chose to go on hiatus rather than to choose to work with ador...

I think Ador and NJ ship has long sailed

the only slight possibility I can think of NJZ returning to Ador is if MHJ wins and gets reinstated back to Ador as the CEO then and only then maybe will NJZ return

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Another long shot

well one misses all the shots one doesn't take!!

but what's NJZ and MHJ got to lose at this point?

strategically NJZ were never ever going to not just return to Ador but work with ador ever again - trust has been broken beyond all reasonableness - so many allegations have been raised - plus the members own comments about never returning to ador...

and therefore either NJZ win and escape without penalty and do their own stuff or they lose and accept some penalty fee and go do their own stuff

the question ultimately (as was from day 1) comes down to money!!!

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Listen, wild YamaChan, I'm no concern troll or anything similar. I'm just not sweeping the giant white dirt elephant under the rug. People are allowed to talk about whatever the hell they want, as long as it's respectful. And however you perseive it, it's totally your problem.

If the shoe doesn't fit, then why are you bothered by what was clearly a general comment made in a post that was addressing a general audience and not you specifically? There is no giant white elephant; it's a small clip of dirt being treated like a gigantic dust storm.

People can talk all they want. I'm not the content police, nor have I intimated otherwise. Likewise, I am free to give MY reaction to what I see as blatantly vitriolic, idiotic nonsense from a group of miserable malcontents who are just being performative outrage merchants and token stans just because they're jealous of NJZ and have BEEN jealous since the moment they started speed running every major accomplishment in K-Pop.

You think I want that dialogue under the rug? Me? Hell no. Let's make a mess. I love it. If everyone could go mask off and just admit that's the real reason they're shit posting about NJZ, and stop pretending like they go to sleep with furrowed brow wondering about the foreboding fate of the girls, that would be wonderful. I'd welcome it.

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You are going to mask off? lol Do it. You are gonna kill the wholesomeness in you? lol Again, your problem. By watching you in this forum I thought you might have some nice input to bring into this conversation, but all i see is a tired kid crying for a nap. Wanna sleep on this topic? Fine, refrain from replying!

Out of respect to whatever time and effort this required, I quoted you, but there isn't much substance here. No meat on the bone, so to speak. You dare me to be "mask off" like we all don't know how much people cry and campaign behind the scenes to the staff when I DO take off the proverbial kiddie gauntlets.

I am curious how you inferred again that I want to "sleep" on this topic. This shares a bed with your ill-conceived elephant analogy.

I won't run from any conversation or debate. I'm just willing to be transparent in the process and will demand it of others. I know bullshit when I smell it, and there are many festering, putrid piles of it littered throughout the discourse of NJZ and their need to return to ADOR, a company they said they already said mistreated them and are never going back to.

I mean, why wouldn't they want to work with a company that leaked their pre-debut footage from when they were minors, whose previous CEO threatened them with a likely indefinite hiatus and whose current CEO said he wanted to destroy their value. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Anyway, you should be thrilled if I do decide to entertain and engage your topic. It's a guaranteed hit, just like a NJZ song.

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The kpop comunity isn't entirely full of shit or entirely made of rainbows and butterflies. There is middle ground for difficult conversations and if you feel personally attacked, bothered, low on patience by a respectful post, just ignore it. It's idiotic to destroy the good in you, like you said, over a civil discussion. You are the only one making a fuss out of it, unnecessarily.

Quite simply, no, and just like I can't force people to discuss a topic transparently and without malicious agenda, you can't force me to be cordial or civil towards people who are clearly overly emotionally invested purely out of spite, hatred and a burning desire to see the girls ruined and miserable.

Just ignore it. Right.

No.

I will not. I made a thread weeks ago about NJZ being on the receiving end of the worst hate campaign I've ever seen in the international K-Pop space, and that was BEFORE they even made their stances public.

As such, I will no longer give grace or patience to bad actors. And I think anyone asking victims to seek shelter from their abusers is at BEST a bad actor. It doesn't pass the aforementioned "Bullshit Test".

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Stop insisting in this nonsense. LSF has nothing to do with this topic, the point here is the near future of NJZ given the actual scenerio. Which brings me anxiety and that I am going to share in a kpop comunity forums, cause' where the hell would I be able to talk about it without turning the conversation in what you actually want desperatly to turn it into: groundless narrative of hate. Which is the FURTHEST thing from.

Make me. Literally. If you can provide a rational explanation for why the comparison isn't logically sound, then do so. Whining won't ever move me nor will any attempt at emotional appeal.

I'll even reiterate it.

If LSF can even remotely recover from what happened to them in the eyes of the Korean public last year, where they were called a National Embarrassment and their songs rapidly fell out of the charts, then why can't NJZ recover once the dust settles? Keep in mind I'm talking PURELY in regards to the Korean public, and there are actually no signs they've really turned on NJZ. Let me check the daily charts now.

Oh yep. All their songs are sticking like glue. Hype Boy and Ditto still top 60 songs. Oh look.

Album sales still going strong

They're so over.

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I'm not cutting out my free expression right, specially when there's nothing wrong with it, and neither should anyone in this forum cause' you are threating to bring out the beast inside you lol How can you take it seriously?

Oh, fixed your reply, btw. I think that's what you had to say that's actually relevant to the topic, tks for your wholesome contribution.

Um. Okay?

This is getting old. Actually it was old from the start. All because you couldn't interpret and infer that I wasn't even talking about you specifically.

And yes, as I stated earlier, given how many people find it intimidating to participate in these conversations when I'm hyper aggressive, I do take that effect I have on conversations seriously, which is why I've been so wholesome lately.

I find that hard to do when people are relentlessly concern trolling 5 innocent girls, for the crime of wanting to remain loyal to and work with the creative team that catapulted them to global superstardom faster than any peer in the history of their industry.

Are we good now?

Where is the option, They should disband already?