[enter-talk] I kinda feel bad for STAYC

  • AllKill VIP

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    At one point, they were even compared to aespa due to their high buzz, but once they stepped away from the "teen crush" concept, which was STAYC's strength, you can really feel their decline in popularity. I don't know why the vocal mixing was done the way it was in this new song. If they had released something like "1 Thing" or even "Cheeky Icy Thang" as the title track, it wouldn't have been this bad.


    The song wasn't even as bad as GPT that wasn't even able to chart in the daily chart. Honestly, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea for them to work with other composers instead of Rado now. Even though Rado pushed for "1 Thing," it doesn't seem like they lack an understanding of how music works? I really don't know what's going on with this group after listening to their new song.


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    1. [+71, -2]
    It's karma. When they lost their mainstream appeal with "ASAP," people kept saying they should give more on the parts of members like Isa, J, and others, but they completely ignored that and chose songs that only focus on high notes from Sieun and Yoon. Regardless of whether the song is good or not, it was painful to listen to... Especially with "Beautiful Monster," it was really polarizing. From a fan's perspective, they might be okay with it, but from a non-fan's perspective, it's hard to add it to a playlist because their voices are exhausting to listen to


    2. [+67, -3]
    Ugh, this is why it's a problem when the songwriter is the CEO of the agency... They could easily receive good songs and promote with them, but instead, they only let them perform their own songs


    3. [+46, 1-]
    Songs like So Bad and RUN2U suit them more, but now they're trying to go for a dark girl crush concept like aespa


    4. [+37, -0]
    They suit punky vibes like ASAP, Teddy Bear, RUN2U. Why are they always pushing those weird concepts?ㅜ Personally RUN2U was so well done


    5. [+34, -9]
    It's a reach for them to even try to compete against aespa from the start..? Black Mamba wins over So Bad, Next Level wins over RUN2U, Spicy wins over Teddy Bear, and their career last year was nothing but embarrassing. StayC should focus on being a small agency's miracle, not rival against aespa, IVE, NewJeans or any of the Big3 groups

    Tbh I don’t like Bebe I think they missed massively! It doesn’t feel like Stayc at all :oops:


    I think a reason why they’re struggling is purely because kpop is oversaturated! I think the window is incredibly small and once you’ve missed your opportunity it’s hard to come back :!:


    Now we’re in 5th gen and newer groups are coming out it will be hard to compete for attention unless you’re an already successfully established group imo


    It’s similar to Nmixx who imo have just released their best TT ever! but are still struggling with charts/spotify etc :/

    I said this! KiiiKiii vs H2H was giving Stayc vs aespa during debut!


    At the time people were praising Stayc in vocals (they sang live), visuals, music almost everything and hating aespa in comparison!


    Now we see similar with KiiiKiii and H2H :!:


    5. [+34, -9]

    It's a reach for them to even try to compete against aespa from the start..? Black Mamba wins over So Bad, Next Level wins over RUN2U, Spicy wins over Teddy Bear, and their career last year was nothingbut embarrassing. StayC should focus on being a small agency's miracle, not rival against aespa, IVE, NewJeans or any of the Big3 groups

    Quote from foreveraespaaa

    I think a reason why they’re struggling is purely because kpop is oversaturated! I think the window is incredibly small and once you’ve missed your opportunity it’s hard to come back :!:


    Now we’re in 5th gen and newer groups are coming out it will be hard to compete for attention unless you’re an already successfully established group imo

    I think this is part of it but the group had to evolve. They couldn't do their original concept for too long because it would have gotten stale.


    I think their main issue is they were charting well and moving a lot of units, but didn't build a fan base. Nmixx averages 700k sales/comeback and they have a dedicated fan base. I know they have big company privilege but you still need to be able to hold onto fans. I think jype groups are good at maintaining a stable fan base.


    On the other hand, Stayc wasn't able to build a fandom or have members that people gravitated towards. I think they were always going to decline because they needed to build a fanbase before the big 4 company launched their groups. I think their goal needs to be hit 125k+ sales/comeback and get booked. This is just the pain with being in a smaller company because if they were in a bigger company they most likely could rebound

    Quote from StanGIDLE

    I think this is part of it but the group had to evolve. They couldn't do their original concept for too long because it would have gotten stale.


    I think their main issue is they were charting well and moving a lot of units, but didn't build a fan base. Nmixx averages 700k sales/comeback and they have a dedicated fan base. I know they have big company privilege but you still need to be able to hold onto fans. I think jype groups are good at maintaining a stable fan base.


    On the other hand, Stayc wasn't able to build a fandom or have members that people gravitated towards. I think they were always going to decline because they needed to build a fanbase before the big 4 company launched their groups. I think their goal needs to be hit 125k+ sales/comeback and get booked. This is just the pain with being in a smaller company because if they were in a bigger company they most likely could rebound

    I think the main question becomes how does a group evolve naturally without feeling like a reset/brand new group but refreshing at the same time :?:

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from Rarami

    they should have took demos from other sources rather than the ceo pushing hes songs

    as a national allkpop Swith

    what do you think about this Knet opinion?


    Quote from bartkun

    When they lost their mainstream appeal with "ASAP," people kept saying they should give more on the parts of members like Isa, J, and others, but they completely ignored that and chose songs that only focus on high notes from Sieun and Yoon. Regardless of whether the song is good or not, it was painful to listen to


    I remember that back in the day Rado himself said that Sieun vocal tone is very specific and people might not like it, which made me now wonder is it really a thing for Korean fans.


    I actually like that start of Bebe very much it's kind of like a relay in running? like one member after another delivers their part well from early seconds to 0:38. It ends great with Yoon's STAYC Girls it's going down line... but then later on somehow song ain't that good </3

    Quote from foreveraespaaa

    I think the main question becomes how does a group evolve naturally without feeling like a reset/brand new group but refreshing at the same time :?:

    Agreed


    I think the key is building fandom because it allows you to take risks.I like Bebe but the song might not be the right one for Stayc because their fans are not expecting a dance song. The group most likely doesn't have a big enough fandom to take risks, but they needed to evolve their sound and concept.


    I feel the best way to evolve is through music and slowly move away from concept you're trying to move on from. I think they may have went too fast with their evolution which may have made them lose fans. Also, I think kpop fans need to accept not every group is going to be a top group. I started following kpop around 3rd generation, and it seems only 2-3 GGs from a non-big 4 company makes maintains a top position


    3rd gen - Mamamoo, Oh My Girl, Gfriend, and I guess WJSN

    4th gen - (G)I-DLE, IVE


    Big 4 companies producing more groups is making it harder for groups like stayc to maintain their spot. Withing 5 years in their debut the big 4 companies produces 5+ groups


    SM: hearts2hearts, Aespa (debuted the same year)

    JYPE: Nmixx, Itzy (debuted the previous year)

    YG: Babymonster

    Hybe: NewJeans, Le Sserafim, Illit, and will debut 2 groups this year ^^


    With the big 4 producing more groups. there's no room for errors. I just don't think there was a place for Stayc to maintain their spot, and be in a tier just below the big 4 company GGs. There was just too much overlap of many big and small GGs doing a cute concept.


    Overall, they just need to maintain their fans and find their sound.

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from keyboardwarrior7

    I feel Rado created STAYC to promote his music rather than promoting STAYC as a group.


    He wanted a canvas. Probably was tired of companies not picking the songs he wanted picked, so he created a group where he could have full control. :pepe-use-head:

    real question is tho does he have money to do so? and why taking such big risk?


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    Quote from bartkun

    real question is tho does he have money to do so? and why taking such big risk?


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    I mean, for a lot of people it's all about ego. Just look at how HYBE treated New Jeans. Money isn't always the main focus.


    If this comeback doesn't do well, and Rado produces the next one, we'll have our answer. :pepe-shrug:

    Quote from NmiXXSupremacist

    Man, kpoopies are so used to this obsesion with success that i wonder if they are capable to aprecciate a release without thinking in the fucking money. What you get from this? Absolutely nothing. Yall are so annoying :exit-pepe:

    counterpoint my friend


    sure there is an obsession with success but success is critical to all aspects of life especially kpop - how many groups do we see disbanding before year 7 or not renewing because of the lack of success? how many groups do we hear not receiving or receiving very low pay because of the lack of success and those are the groups we hear about which means they are some of the larger non-nugu groups let alone the hundreds if not thousands of groups that we never hear about...

    (see Everglow and Yiren's comments recently)


    money begets more opportunities and more options for the members whether it be a change of direction musically or even going into other non-musical related activities. So yes there is an obsession with success amongst the overall kpop community and even more so when they try to pit success of one group against others however that doesn't negate the fact that success is fundamental to a group's overall longevity and growth

    Dude, im talking about the fans. I saw some fans being unable to full enjoy their faves because they hope their faves do very well. And this is mess up
    Obssess aver your own success, not others. BTW, you could end obsessed about a group success and in the end the idols made 0 money. How ridiculous is this scenario?

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