I think they should be by tomorrow seeing they broke the 3m streams mark today.
i agree though, most of the songs being in English is....problematic, but to chart globally I think you need the songs to be primarily in English. I think APT is the only one of the solo's that still has some Korean elements in it, but not really.
Aespa is on 35 Spotify global with whiplash
I think they should be by tomorrow seeing they broke the 3m streams mark today.
i agree though, most of the songs being in English is....problematic, but to chart globally I think you need the songs to be primarily in English. I think APT is the only one of the solo's that still has some Korean elements in it, but not really.
I would say it ordinary pop performed my koreans, well Rosé from Australia and Lisa is Thai. so.....
But sure, it's have some connection to kpop, but I would not call it kpop.
It’s still a niche and it will still remain a niche. You guys keep focusing on charts that you don’t see the big picture. Charts will never tell the full story or provide context, especially when a lot of the numbers are fan-driven.
No matter how big any K-pop act is, I’m still not seeing them on the homepage of any American news website.
I’ll see posts from American social media pages about them, but those are pushed to me due to an algorithm that caters to my taste. Most Americans still aren’t seeing any of what we’re seeing.
As K-pop fans, our world revolves around K-pop, but that’s still not the case for everyone else.
Display MoreIt’s still a niche and it will still remain a niche. You guys keep focusing on charts that you don’t see the big picture. Charts will never tell the full story or provide context, especially when a lot of the numbers are fan-driven.
No matter how big any K-pop act is, I’m still not seeing them on the homepage of any American news website.
I’ll see posts from American social media pages about them, but those are pushed to me due to an algorithm that caters to my taste. Most Americans still aren’t seeing any of what we’re seeing.
As K-pop fans, our world revolves around K-pop, but that’s still not the case for everyone else.
KPop stans continue to grossly overestimate how much people care about charts. Even stans of western artists do this too, to be fair. But at the end of the day, it's stans bragging about these numbers when your average joe in America doesn't even know what they're talking about!
People just want to listen to music at the end of the day!
KPop stans continue to grossly overestimate how much people care about charts. Even stans of western artists do this too, to be fair. But at the end of the day, it's stans bragging about these numbers when your average joe in America doesn't even know what they're talking about!
People just want to listen to music at the end of the day!
I know how much a K-pop artist has when I hear their music at malls, see their faces on billboards and posters in the city, and notice how girls are dressing like them.
You can’t quantify that. You can’t put numbers to it. However, it means a lot more than charts because it’s an indicator of true societal and cultural impact. It means more to me than seeing numbers on a chart.
I don’t know if a lot of K-pop fans just don’t go outside or what, but it seems like they’re living in a simulation of sorts. It’s like The Matrix. No matter how much I try to get my point across, they’d rather happily (or unhappily) live in a simulated bubble. To be honest, it’s uncanny and unsettling to me.
I know how much a K-pop artist has when I hear their music at malls, see their faces on billboards and posters in the city, and notice how girls are dressing like them.
You can’t quantify that. You can’t put numbers to it. However, it means a lot more than charts because it’s an indicator of true societal and cultural impact. It means more to me than seeing numbers on a chart.
I don’t know if a lot of K-pop fans just don’t go outside or what, but it seems like they’re living in a simulation of sorts. It’s like The Matrix. No matter how much I try to get my point across, they’d rather happily (or unhappily) live in a simulated bubble. To be honest, it’s uncanny and unsettling to me.
Sometimes I think it's stans feeling like they have to prove their music taste to people. People make fun of kpop so they try to cope with it by trying to just "hard evidence" to prove that their group truly makes good music. At the end of the day, music taste is subjective! And then when it comes to kpop fanwars, everyone's just trying to prove something to each other! Something that they don't have any control over and that shouldn't really matter to them!
You are not these artists who are charting! Yes, you can congratulate them and share the news, but you don't have to go neck and neck using charts as your evidence. That's not your personal achievement!
Basically everyone needs to take a chill pill. 50mg every morning.
Sometimes I think it's stans feeling like they have to prove their music taste to people. People make fun of kpop so they try to cope with it by trying to just "hard evidence" to prove that their group truly makes good music. At the end of the day, music taste is subjective! And then when it comes to kpop fanwars, everyone's just trying to prove something to each other! Something that they don't have any control over and that shouldn't really matter to them!
You are not these artists who are charting! Yes, you can congratulate them and share the news, but you don't have to go neck and neck using charts as your evidence. That's not your personal achievement!
Basically everyone needs to take a chill pill. 50mg every morning.
That’s an excellent point. It explains why there’s so much competitiveness among fans. When they start using numbers as bragging rights and being toxic to other fandoms, it’s actually self-hate that they’re projecting. They’re insecure about what they like, so they want to prove to themselves that there are people worse than them. Make no mistake. Yes, they’re trying to prove to others something, but they’re trying to reassure themselves more.
It’s an internal conflict. Fanwars between fandoms are really just both sides projecting internal warfare.
You won’t see these people trying to battle it out with western fandoms, though. I wonder why. They have an inferiority complex to western fandoms.
They’ll act high and mighty, claiming their favorites are superior to the rest of Korea and Asia, but they bow down to anything western. They want that validation.
You can’t quantify that. You can’t put numbers to it. However, it means a lot more than charts because it’s an indicator of true societal and cultural impact. It means more to me than seeing numbers on a chart.
Is your issue with the charts entirely or with how kpop fans tend to approach them? Because for me the charting is just an added little fun part of following groups. It's fun and exciting to see your group doing well. However, I ultimately do not care how my favorite groups do on charts as long as they are releasing music I enjoy. I will follow Babymonster to the depths of hell as long as the music is good. But the charts are a huge part of kpop so they are pretty much unavoidable.
So for me the issue with charting is that people take it wayyyyyyy too seriously for my taste. I'm not going to start throwing tantrums and bashing other groups if the ones I like are not doing well. Or actively pray for the downfall of another group, I don't like that stuff.
Is your issue with the charts entirely or with how kpop fans tend to approach them? Because for me the charting is just an added little fun part of following groups. It's fun and exciting to see your group doing well. However, I ultimately do not care how my favorite groups do on charts as long as they are releasing music I enjoy. I will follow Babymonster to the depths of hell as long as the music is good. But the charts are a huge part of kpop so they are pretty much unavoidable.
So for me the issue with charting is that people take it wayyyyyyy too seriously for my taste. I'm not going to start throwing tantrums and bashing other groups if the ones I like are not doing well. Or actively pray for the downfall of another group, I don't like that stuff.
My issue is with how K-pop fans tend to weaponize charts. They treat idols as weapons and entire demographics as commodities. They’ll talk about entire populations of humans as if they’re just disposable numbers, downplaying or hyperbolizing them as it fits the narrative. Look at how they speak ill on Korea and Southeast Asian countries when the numbers don’t fit their agenda.
It’s cold and calculated. There’s no soul or personality to it. It reminds me of corporate greed and the slippery slope that mindset leads to. I prefer a bit more humanness in people.
I don’t have any issue with fans being happy for their favorites and tracking their chart performance. After all, Ahyeon was caught being interested in charts, so I’m obviously not going to diabolize her for it. 
No, Kpop is not international.
3 of the BP members signed deals with American labels and release music in English because they can either speak English fluently or well enough that no one can notice that it's their 2nd language.
BTS has been pulling numbers far outside the range of a typical kpop group since 2018, as evidenced by them appearing on IFPI from 2018-2022. So they're also an exception, not the standard.
Kpop feels bigger when there are top groups going toe to toe with Western artists. It's still a niche market, just a bigger one now.
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