is it the end of 4th gen girl group trajectory?

lsf are doing fine (double TTs in the top 10), aespa are doing fine, NJ are doing fine

yeah, idle and IVE's new songs aren't so massive this time around, but they don't speak for all of 4th gen

I've said it before and I'll say it again

there are many definitions of the word "flop" as it relates to charting

1. to not chart at all - fairly obvious that if one fails to enter the charts at all then it's a flop

2. to not chart as well as previous songs - this is fairly understandable that if a group had a PAK for one song but the next song only made it (let's say to the top 20) then one might argue that since the song didn't do as well as previously then it's a flop

3. to not chart as well compared to their peers - the question who one's peers are is important since charting is by it's very definition about who one is higher or lower than...some people will say if x charted worse than y then x is a flop

4. to not chart as well as expectations (this is the most subjective) - here a group flops because there is an expectation that certain groups will perform well whether based on prior success or company reputation...this generally applies to the larger or more popular groups - ie. if IU failed to chart (maybe) in the top 5 then one might argue that because of IU's prior successes then her level of expectations is much higher than a lesser known artist or group...

I guess the flop in the OP's post is referring to (for Gidle and LSFM) both 2 and 4 that they've charted below their expectations and worse than previously???

For Itzy I guess it's more no. 1???

Looking at the songs topping the charts currently, it does looks like 4th gen girl groups era is over.

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because its safe to say that every girl group comeback so far have been underwhelming. itzy is not even charting anymore, gidle and lesserafim not hitting top 5 melon (tho its too early to say about lesserafim). IVE english single also is making no noise. with the rise of 5th gen boygroup, is it indicating that the 4th gen girl group trajectory is coming to end, with only NJ being the last one standing?

Forget the 4th Generation, they were so yesterday, the 5th generation is here

not sure if it's the end they can both co- exist like it happened with older generations but one thing we should acknowledge is that 5h generation girl groups already exist and new ones are gonna debut soon.

everything will average out.

4th gen has seen some spikes in the graph. with more groups debuting everything will average out.

I already talked about it,

Thanks to multi-stan in 4gen, fans are not loyal

They only supports trendy rookies and as soon as the rookie era ends, they move one

2 years after their debut and they have reached their peak

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It's giving unable to compete with 4th gen hence I make up my own new generation

That is what the 4th generation did, when Twice, BP and BTS were/are the top groups.

Boygroup domination has begun again. Every Gen it's either GG's or Bg's dominating, and now it's gone back to boy groups. It's just the cycle of kpop.

Perfect Night literally spent 6 weeks on top of Melon going against Taeyeon, Aespa, and Ive. What are you talking about? Baddie also #1. Only Idle has underperformed slightly.

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Not exactly. Because 4th gen numbers were actually something

I remember IZ*ONE rivalling Twice album sales for instance during that time and IZ*ONE was only short of 1 album that time to match the exact sale numbers, because Nako bought 1 Twice album and cause them to outsell her own group

BabyMoster is breaking youtube records (with lots of ads) 5th Gen boy groups are out-charting 4th gen boy groups.

Fandoms will always cherry pick data points to make their point.

I always found it funny when I would see records like most streamed 4th generation Girl group or most albums sold by 4th generation Boy Group, because they could not outstream BlackPink or outsell BTS.

We will see a repeat of this with the 5th Generation.

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I always found it funny when I would see records like most streamed 4th generation Girl group or most albums sold by 4th generation Boy Group, because they could not outstream BlackPink or outsell BTS.

Is this the part where we pretend NewJeans doesn't exist and that most of the records they shattered or even created weren't all time records?

Come now. There is no need to signal the start of the doomsday clock just because 4th Gen girl groups can't chain together multiple PAKs every release. Not like 3rd gen could do that either outside of their peak years

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Is this the part where we pretend NewJeans doesn't exist and that most of the records they shattered or even created weren't all time records?

Come now. There is no need to signal the start of the doomsday clock just because 4th Gen girl groups can't chain together multiple PAKs every release. Not like 3rd gen could do that either outside of their peak years

NJ came at the end of the 4th generation, and eventually they would stop using the 4th generation qualifier for some records.

The same will happen for the 5th Generation, while they can't compete with 4th gen records they will use the most of the 5th generation qualifier.

Once a 5th Gen dethrones NewJeans or whomever, they they will drop the 5th generation qualifier, and it will be time for the 6th generation to repeat the cycle.

BTW, now that IVE is on a world tour and when NewJeans and Le Serafim go on theirs, are we going to see threads about what 4th Generation Girl group sold the most tickets, had the greatest attendance or highest revenues, or are they going to drop the 4th generation qualifier and try to compete vs Twice and BlackPink.

I would imagine they will wait until at least their second World tour to drop the 'Best/first of the 4th Generation' qualifier.