MIss A was a failure?

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I don't really care about sales miss A still slayed regardless

And miss A was not nugu...They were not in the top 5 girl groups of their time but they were definitely successful in the early 2010s. Like they literally won SOTY with their debut song! It's a record no one has broken since 2010 ... that doesn't sound nugu to me

I don't think they were a failure, they just weren't as big as other girl groups.

It's the first time that I heard that someone says that miss A was a failure

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I don't think they were a failure, they just weren't as big as other girl groups.

This! I also think they had unfortunate timing and horrible management.

They had crazy competition like SNSD, 2NE1, T-ara, Sistar, Kara, etc. and also their group chemistry was really fucked because of JYP and everyone in the industry treating Suzy like a princess while ignoring the rest of the group

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Im just asking. I saw low sales, big hiatus. Maybe things dont go well

their albums sales weren't that good, that's correct.

but they were very good on the digital/chart side

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They were a failure in the sense that they were mismanaged terribly and could have been so much more

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A lot of girl groups not in the top 5 had similar sales iirc. More for the gp and charts, not strong in album sales or touring

exactly! Girl groups at the time didn't sell much at all except groups like SNSD but those were rare exceptions. Of course now with 4th gen girl groups being million sellers, it does make a bunch of 2nd gen girl groups look like they were nugus and failures if you compare sales from a decade ago to now.

Boy groups always dominated album sales and it's still the same nowadays and will most likely continue so, although there's been a shift in girl groups no longer catering to the male gaze and therefore getting more fangirls to buy their albums

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their albums sales weren't that good, that's correct.

but they were very good on the digital/chart side

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Y'all also have to remember what was considered high or successful physical album sales back then was way different than now.

If you got into Kpop in the last few years you're going to have a very skewed delusional view on past kpop numbers.

There are nugu groups that can't chart digitally or chart in the 100s that sale way way more physical albums than a lot of top groups did 10 years ago.

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Y'all also have to remember what was considered high or successful physical album sales back then was way different than now.

If you got into Kpop in the last few years you're going to have a very skewed delusional view on past kpop numbers.

There are nugu groups that can't chart digitally or chart in the 100s that sale way way more physical albums than a lot of top groups did 10 years ago.

I know, I just wanted to show that they weren't failures

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I know, I just wanted to show that they weren't failures

I quoted you to kinda add on to your point. My comment was not really directed at you but just people that read the thread.

I mean they had three number one singles and and their best singles sold at the same levels clsoe to Girls Generation, so hardly a "failure". But as other have said, the competion during the years around 2010-2012 was brutal for the girlgroups. Girls' Generation, 2NE1, T-ara, Kara, Wonder Girls just to name a few that fought in the top. JYP probably understood it would be very hard to do much more with Miss A then they did.

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Honestly Twice was the group that really mainstreamed and normalized consistently having 2-3 comebacks a year because of their high album sales.

1-2 comebacks was pretty normal back then.

I don't think it's any big difference compared to some 2nd generation groups like 2NE1 and T-ara, even if they maybe had that output only for the first three years or so.

JYP handled them terribly but sales back then just weren't that high. It was Twice that ushered in the high sales era for girl groups.

missA wasn't so much a failure but rather a victim of mismanagement. While I don't think they would've hit Wonder Girls' peak, JYP himself mismanaged them enough to cut them at the legs too early in their careers as well as inadvertently sowing seeds of discontent within the group itself. They truly did not get a real chance to optimize their potential as a collective unit.

I'd say the group have some success, but yes it was a failure

They only have 3 big Hits, the others were mid sized

The group ended being "Suzy group"

They don't have a fandom and have very few comebacks

As the group was hard-carried by just one member they disbanded quite fast

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I'd say the group have some success, but yes it was a failure

They only have 3 big Hits, the others were mid sized

The group ended being "Suzy group"

They don't have a fandom and have very few comebacks

As the group was hard-carried by just one member they disbanded quite fast

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Not at you spreading the miss a slander even here

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They don't have a fandom

apparently i'm non-existent

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Not at you spreading the miss a slander even here

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I'm sorry I'm sincere

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apparently i'm non-existent

1 people is not a fandom

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1 people is not a fandom

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no, Suzy and friends did manage to win a daesang...so wasn't a failure.

so a 2nd gen girl group that did manage to get Perfect All Kill on the charts is questioned if it's a failed group or not in 2024

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Why they didnt do the same with Miss A if they were popular?

Let's start establishing a hard pillow GG stans refuse to the heart to accept: Digitals make no money

Digitals are mostly a proxy for contracts, TV appearances, and endorsements. If you are REALLY popular, you can even hold concerts and headline big festivals

For that, you need star power, really big star power. Very few groups have that. Most of kpop groups needs solid fandom. Ok, now it's time to end with the facts and start with analysis/theory/speculation:

2 years after their debut the group's star power was Suzy, and thanks to her acting appearances. She was HUGE in the media, think of her as a Korean Selena Gomez. Now think of Miss A as a group where the music success was somehow derived from media, not the other way around. In this case, why milk the group with music activities that don't increase their brand value?

"Better to let Suzy keep regular appearances in dramas and films", is what JYP probably thought. Whether he was right or wrong is an object of contention and I have no intention of picking a side here

When the group came back in 2015 they were already "Suzy A". It was clear it was pointless to keep the group afloat when the success was derived from someone who prioritized their acting and media career. JYP simply given up on them and let them finished their contract on indefinite hiatus

Success

Their profits allows JYP to bankroll Twice and Stray Kids

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Success

Their profits allows JYP to bankroll Twice and Stray Kids

2PM made way more money than them.

Anyone saying missA was a failure NEEDED to be around that time to understand that they weren't doing terrible. I think obviously the optics of being sandwiched between Girls Generation/Wonder Girls and Blackpink/Twice skews the impact but still very solid. Listen Suzy doesn't become big if they were abject failures.

Meanwhile, someone in the 10s probably were posting threads asking what to do for them to unflop

Every gen has its Itzy