Top 10 idol group hits in korea since 2019 according to my observation of charts (outdated)

Looks like a pretty damn accurate list. I would put BWL on top of Dynamite though, I think BWL is BTS's peak digitally so far, i dont think Dyna is gonna catch it.

Seems right to me

Dalla Dalla is below HIP because it had 42 weeks in the top 100 of Gaon Digital, HIP had 54.

HIP and Psycho only have less points than DD because of the UL loss due to covid.

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I am convinced u r a dynamite anti. Lol. It's doing god knows how many weeks in top10. It's bigger than bwl. I am not sure if bwl is going to surpass spring day at the end.

The biggest question: Which BTS song will last the longest?? worldlove27 was on to something.

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1. Dynamite
2. Boy with luv
3. How you like that
4. Lovesick girls
5. Dolphin
6. Dalla dalla
7. Psycho
8. Hip
9. Nonstop
10. ON/Fancy

Reason -

• I don't think there is much to talk about the top4.

• Dolphin has insane longevity and looks like it's going to become the biggest bside from 3rd generation group

• Position 6/7/8 songs r all pretty much on the same level. Dalla dalla has the highest digital index but spent less time in top10 than both psycho and hip. Hip even though survived the longest in top10 amd 100 of melon will end up with least digital index.
• Confused between fancy and ON tbh.

What to u guys think? It's going to flop buy if u do see it give your opinions.

This is only korea. No international stat is included.

I need akorns so making many threads lol.

ON is bigger than FANCY.

Gaon: 51 weeks to 36 weeks

Melon: 55 weeks to 36 weeks

ON peaked at #1 against Any Song. FANCY peaked at #3, blocked by BWL.

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The biggest question: Which BTS song will last the longest?? worldlove27 was on to something.

and now we likely have a new fighter called dynamite

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Is hip even reaching 800M? Hip has the best longevity out of psycho and dalla dalla but will end up with the least digital index. I am not sure why tho?

Psycho isn't going beyond 850M either. It's longevity fell short towards the end.

HIP and Psycho haven't reached 800M, I will be shocked if either of them hit it.

Psycho fell fast once it started, I agree.

I think the list is fairly accurate as can be.

The problem is comparing 2019 with 2020, to many changed variables. And just like digital points and uls are down a lot, so have the rules changed regarding longevity and chart ranks after 2020 and especially the last chart reform. Yes dynamite is a big hit, but it would never have spent as many weeks in top 1/10 if it was released in 2019 for example, same is true for all those other songs that are breaking record with X amount of weeks spent in top 10, some that have stood for a decade.

I do think dynamite is the biggest of them, but BWL for instance had much more chart competition at the time.

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I think the list is fairly accurate as can be.

The problem is comparing 2019 with 2020, to many changed variables. And just like digital points and uls are down a lot, so have the rules changed regarding longevity and chart ranks after 2020 and especially the last chart reform. Yes dynamite is a big hit, but it would never have spent as many weeks in top 1/10 if it was released in 2019 for example, same is true for all those other songs that are breaking record with X amount of weeks spent in top 10, some that have stood for a decade.

Well that doesn't stop people from comparing 2018-20 hits with 2015-17 hits even though the digital landscape was different.

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I think the list is fairly accurate as can be.

The problem is comparing 2019 with 2020, to many changed variables. And just like digital points and uls are down a lot, so have the rules changed regarding longevity and chart ranks after 2020 and especially the last chart reform. Yes dynamite is a big hit, but it would never have spent as many weeks in top 1/10 if it was released in 2019 for example, same is true for all those other songs that are breaking record with X amount of weeks spent in top 10, some that have stood for a decade.

Dynamite doesn't just have weeks in top 10 to put it over bwl... as itiswhatitisss mentioned... Its currently getting more digital points in its 28th weeks than BWL did in its 28th week and that's despite the overall decrease in digital points on gaon. Dynamite got 8 weeks over 40M digital points while BWL got 5 over 40M... again despite the overall decrease in digital points on gaon

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Well that doesn't stop people from comparing 2018-20 hits with 2015-17 hits even though the digital landscape was different.

True

The difference now to 2015-17 tho is that we had stream/download numbers available, and the charts on a fundamental level worked exactly the same from 2010 up to 2019. Everyone had a daily chart, but all services were based on the top 100 hourly charts, that was how 99% of people listened to and discovered music. It might be a dumb system but it really helped to get new songs up there fast at release, the average time spent for #1 hit song was often just 1 week if that, then it was on to the next. Having a song reach 3 weeks at #1 was a huge feat. After the chart changes basically every single #1 song (all 5 of them or so...) clears that with ease now.

After FLO/Vibe and especially melon changed to 24h and removed the top 100 hourly charts, it basically killed all that, and we have the stagnation we have now where the top 10 barely change at all in a month.

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Dynamite doesn't just have weeks in top 10 to put it over bwl... as itiswhatitisss mentioned... Its currently getting more digital points in its 28th weeks than BWL did in its 28th week and that's despite the overall decrease in digital points on gaon. Dynamite got 8 weeks over 40M digital points while BWL got 5 over 40M... again despite the overall decrease in digital points on gaon

As i edited in later i do think Dynamite beats bwl either way.

However, i'd argue a bit against the digital points comparisons as well. Yes it has kept a higher index many weeks in, but that is probably also (in part) a result of the lower chart competition and much lover discoverability of new songs as well, people only have time for so many songs in day and time to lookup new music etc, whereas before they just put on the hourly top 100 chart on their daily commute, which changed by the hour, they now put on the top 100 chart that never change or their own playlist that will probably rarely change as well.

I’d switch LSG and HYLT but it seems accurate

fancy is questionable.

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U consider lsg's longetivity in yop10 superior to hylt going #1 everywhere?

Yep, the only reason LSG didn’t go #1 everywhere is because Dynamite blocked it. LSG’s longevity is far more superior to HYLT’s PAKs

Fads where do you see how many digital points a song has?

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They're the metric Gaon uses for the digital chart(They calculate data from the streaming chart, BGM chart and downloads chart) and those will be reflected in the weekly Gaon points.

You can use guyso or the official Gaon website.

http://gaonchart.co.kr/main/se…ationGbn=T&serviceGbn=ALL

https://xn--o39an51b2re.com/gaon/jisurecord

Omg thank u so much!!

well i find it pretty hard to compare post reform songs to pre reforms one. songs after have waaay more longevity. this is the only hick i have, otherwise, i doubt Fancy can compare to On, the latter has way more longevity.

Gaon has some weird stuff happening to its digitals from time to time (eg. all songs suddenly jumping up in digital score from one week to the next, or all suddenly dropping down structurally with 20-30% in digitals), so my guess is they're doing some recalibration of their compiled digital totals algorithm or formula from time to time.

I wasn't aware Dolphin was having that great digitals? (did it?)

Not so sure if # of weeks in Top 10, Top 5 or at #1 is that telling, since it's heavily dependent on luck or who your competition is in released songs.

I'm still convinced Psycho should end up higher on that list, but unfortunately it suffered from the abrupt promotion cut off right at the start, RV's year of non-activity and the competition of the #1 and #2 on Gaon's 2020 annual chart (Zico's Any Song + Changmo's Meteor) that came out around that same timeperiod.

I'd put Psycho over Dalla Dalla, and Nonstop over Hip. Psycho did very well and have great longetivity despite don't have proper promotion + UL loss + no support from comeback. It stayed longer in top 10 than Dalla Dalla. As for Nonstop and Hip, just look at the stats, despite the UL loss, Nonstop spent 13 weeks inside top 10 just like HIP, in its 44th week, Nonstop rank 48th and gained 7m+ digital index with a total of 667 m+, while HIP rank 83rd, gained 5 m+ digital index, with total of 649 m+. Both group had long hiatus. RV, Mamamoo, and Oh My Girl did very well and had great longetivity despite long hiatus.

And I'd put Lovesick Girls over How You Like That.

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Why?

on seemed to perform better despite the covid setting as well. fancy had less longetivity and fancy did not hit 1. but, hard to compare just my thoughts.

In evaluating digital performance, GAON digital points are the best measure. Ranking or number of weeks on top100 is relative measure as they highly dependent on competition.

Fancy doesnt felt that big to be on top 10.

ON obviously had the better digital points+ longevity.

LSG did not hit #1 but doesnt mean it is not performing good. It was blocked by Dynamite which i believe at that time no one can overtake it (not even BTS themselves). LSG is already outcharting HYLT in term of longevity (before someone say because of reform, im talking about digital points on GAON)

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Wasn't ON's charting a bit bumpy? I would say dynamite kinda breathed a new life into it and made it have good longevity.

ON was charting for a while on its own, even before Dyna. And regardless, it charted for longer than FANCY and outpeaked it.

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I'd put Psycho over Dalla Dalla, and Nonstop over Hip. Psycho did very well and have great longetivity despite don't have proper promotion + UL loss + no support from comeback. It stayed longer in top 10 than Dalla Dalla. As for Nonstop and Hip, just look at the stats, despite the UL loss, Nonstop spent 13 weeks inside top 10 just like HIP, in its 44th week, Nonstop rank 48th and gained 7m+ digital index with a total of 667 m+, while HIP rank 83rd, gained 5 m+ digital index, with total of 649 m+. Both group had long hiatus. RV, Mamamoo, and Oh My Girl did very well and had great longetivity despite long hiatus.

And I'd put Lovesick Girls over How You Like That.

Well-explained. I can agree with Nonstop over HIP.

The list seems fine, we'll have to wait a while b4 we can see how LSG compares to HYLT. For now it is definitely lower than HYLT esp with the total gaon points with the same weeks past.

Imo there isnt really much difference from 5-9.

Dolphin's status is elevated bc it is a bside. But if it and Nonstop continue doing well maybe they will be where they are now on the list and maybe nonstop will be even higher than Hip.

Dalla Dalla had the greatest gaon digitals because it did consistently well during its first 20weeks despite not peaking too high, so u could say it didnt have the longetivity but did have the start. Altho 2019 gaon digitals surely helped, none of the 2020 songs were afforded the ability to stay stable in its first 20 weeks due to COVID, the biggest losers in that aspect being On, Psycho, HYLT and LSG, so they couldnt really gain more digital points from the start and was already at a disadvantage bc of it. I think its fair to say that DD and Psycho are of the same level despite the 100M+ gaon points difference

Here's how all the nominated songs compare in terms of music show wins:

Dynamite - 32 wins

Boy with Luv - 21 wins

On - 16 wins

How You Like That - 13 wins

Dalla Dalla - 9 wins

Psycho - 9 wins

Nonstop - 8 wins

Hip - 7 wins

Lovesick Girls - 6 wins

Fancy - 3 wins

Dolphin - 0 wins

Accurate list.

Dolphin is too high