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Mamamoo are extremely talented too, but don't have more fans than TWICE or BP.
And there are other groups (GFriend, Idle, Itzy and others) that have better singers, dancers and/or rappers than TWICE or BP and they don't have more fans either.
Welcome to the real world, where artists and groups with the most talents don't necessarily end up the most successful or #1, and where the richest people aren't necessarily the best and most talented people either.
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They are only called the most talented and respected for thei talent cause they are not as popular
In a world where red velvet was #1 gg people would be doing the most to discredit their talent
Twice would take the place as the quality girl group, and people would talk about bp like “if yg just did their job they could be so much bigger!!!!”
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their fans said it's because they're too "experimental"
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This feels like a setup thread.
They are only called the most talented and respected for thei talent cause they are not as popular
In a world where red velvet was #1 gg people would be doing the most to discredit their talent
Twice would take the place as the quality girl group, and people would talk about bp like “if yg just did their job they could be so much bigger!!!!”
I don't think it works like that.
BTS, SNSD and Big Bang were respected for their talent even when they were at the top, while groups like Mamamoo, Red Velvet, Itzy, After School and SHINee were praised for certain talents even when they were not the most popular boy group or girl group.
I mean, it's not as if when BP wouldn't be the most popular girl group, people would say that they'd be the best dance group.
In the same way, now that TWICE aren't the #1 girl group anymore, you won't see people suddenly say that they're the most talented girl group around with the best vocals.
A very few exceptions aside, all the groups in the top 10 get their portion of people discrediting their talents.
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Mamamoo are extremely talented too, but don't have more fans than TWICE or BP.
And there are other groups (GFriend, Idle, Itzy and others) that have better singers, dancers and/or rappers than TWICE or BP and they don't have more fans either.
Welcome to the real world, where artists and groups with the most talents don't necessarily end up the most successful or #1, and where the richest people aren't necessarily the best and most talented people either.
I agree with mamamoo for vocals but blackpink has a strong rap line and have good performers. True, Soyeon might be stlighty better but it's not like jennie and Lisa aren't good rappers and both momo and Lisa are good dancers.
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Redvelvet dont need many fans. I can be their fans
Also, I think it's more of a preferences kind of thing. Usually people who listen to music, they listen to catchy songs or songs that get them worked up, etc. Redvelvet, Mamamoo, GFriend, etc are all very talented, but it doesn't work that way sadly.
Im a Moomoo since 2014, I got used to it. I am glad and very happy that the artists are doing well, their own thing, and also still producing contents. It's great.
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IIt's 2022 why are we still Questioning Red velvet popularity?
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Redvelvet dont need many fans. I can be their fans
Also, I think it's more of a preferences kind of thing. Usually people who listen to music, they listen to catchy songs or songs that get them worked up, etc. Redvelvet, Mamamoo, GFriend, etc are all very talented, but it doesn't work that way sadly.
Im a Moomoo since 2014, I got used to it. I am glad and very happy that the artists are doing well, their own thing, and also still producing contents. It's great.
Great mindset
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I am glad that RED VELVET is around that's more than enough and I will support them by buying their stuff
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I know it's nice to try different concepts each comeback but there needs to be some level of consistency. They were just too experimental for me which made each comeback seem like a coin flip. Some might argue that's how it is for every group but it's not, they may change concepts but there's always a bit of them in it and it just didn't feel that way with RV
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Red Velvet has vocals and what else? It’s not like they’re extraordinary in any other aspect. Their key players are Seulgi, a good vocalist and great dancer, and Wendy, a great vocalist and good dancer. Their performances aren’t anything special, and their music is a hit or miss for me. So this more talented narrative is weird to me, they’re all roughly equal, but BP and Twice are way more digestible and charismatic.
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Sorry i gotta be honest
In RV only Wendy and Seulgi are truly talented and have stage presence. The other 3 are kinda meh especially Irene which i think is so out of place in RV. She might shine more being in group like Blackpink where everyone going for classy concept. In RV, asking her to sing bubbly songs is just so WEIRD. And no. They are not more talented than BP and Twice. BP has way better stage presence that none of the 3rd gen GGs are able to surpass, not even Mamamoo. Twice is at least fun to watch.
Also, RV concept is too contradicting at times. Can understand alternating between Red and Velvet sides but quality must be there. How can they go with 3 consecutive bubbly summer songs (where was the alternating?) and then switch to mature concept Bad Boy (which is superb imo) and followed up with a terrible RBB ??!! Consistency is the key. Thats how Twice get back to back #1s and Blackpink back-to-back huge hits
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What kind of an idiot's reasoning is this, saying that more talent means more fans and the most fans means the most talent?
Let's be real here, TWICE and BP arent the most talented groups at all: both groups have the weakest vocals of all the top groups, except for Lisa and Momo the dance skills of the groups is average and there are groups with better rappers than BP while TWICE's rappers are laughable, standard idol stock rappers.
But while TWICE and BP aren't the most talented groups, at least they have consistency in style in their songs and aren't hopping all over the genre board from one song to the next, scaring away fans that might've liked one song but are chased away by the genre switch ups in the next songs.
Doesnt mean that groups like Mamamoo and Red Velvet don't have their own sizeable fanbases, they do. Just not as big as BP or TWICE and that has nothing to do with whether they're more talented or not. It's about songs.
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They are not as charismatic as the other groups
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Agree.
Irene, Joy and Seulgi are beautiful, but they're boring to watch. I guess the term star power/stage presence come to play because I love watching Nayeon, Sana and Momo, but not Tzuyu. The 3 were already natural before Tzuyu's flag scandal happened.
RV are reaallyyy baaaaaaad when it comes to performing. Like no one besides Wendy and Seulgi wants to be on stage, so it's not surprising they are the least popular out of big 3 girl groups 3rd gen. BP have been like that since 2018, but Jennie's charisma/facial expressions alone still attract attention.
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Sorry i gotta be honest
In RV only Wendy and Seulgi are truly talented and have stage presence. The other 3 are kinda meh especially Irene which i think is so out of place in RV. She might shine more being in group like Blackpink where everyone going for classy concept. In RV, asking her to sing bubbly songs is just so WEIRD. And no. They are not more talented than BP and Twice. BP has way better stage presence that none of the 3rd gen GGs are able to surpass, not even Mamamoo. Twice is at least fun to watch.
Also, RV concept is too contradicting at times. Can understand alternating between Red and Velvet sides but quality must be there. How can they go with 3 consecutive bubbly summer songs (where was the alternating?) and then switch to mature concept Bad Boy (which is superb imo) and followed up with a terrible RBB ??!! Consistency is the key. Thats how Twice get back to back #1s and Blackpink back-to-back huge hits
Only Wendy and Seulgi are talented?
They are no more talented than BP or Twice?
BP has better stage presence than any gg? Mamamoo?
Lol get out of here troll
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BP and TWICE have weak vocals compared with a lot of girl groups that have better. There are better female rappers than Lisa or Jennie and TWICE rappers arent even in the race. BP and TWICE also arent that great as dance groups, there are other groups that are better as a whole in dance and that includes 3rd gen groups.
Mamamoo, RV and Dreamcatcher are among the groups most praised for their vocals by casual k-pop fans and non-fans.
Talent has nothing to do with success or popularity or fanbase size, they aren't equivalent: one of the best super vocalists of the 3rd gen, solo artist Shannon, has had very low success let alone a huge fanbase.
OP knows this, that talent has little to do with fanbase size, but OP is simply trollbaiting.
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Agree.
Irene, Joy and Seulgi are beautiful, but they're boring to watch. I guess the term star power/stage presence come to play because I love watching Nayeon, Sana and Momo, but not Tzuyu. The 3 were already natural before Tzuyu's flag scandal happened.
RV are reaallyyy baaaaaaad when it comes to performing. Like no one besides Wendy and Seulgi wants to be on stage, so it's not surprising they are the least popular out of big 3 girl groups 3rd gen. BP have been like that since 2018, but Jennie's charisma/facial expressions alone still attract attention.
Star power, it factor, charisma/facial expressions aren't talents. If you want to count those, you can also include Hwasa and Irene who have been it girls and in the top ranks of popularity lists for years.
As for what someone likes to watch, that's just personal preferences that can have a legion of reasons. All the top groups have members that are just average and boring to watch perform unless you're a hardcore stan.
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This thread feels like made by a Once, trying to shade Red Velvet and fishing for compliments about TWICE.
Probably one of the same ones that always say that MY create their own Aespa shading threads.
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Star power, it factor, charisma/facial expressions aren't talents. If you want to count those, you can also include Hwasa and Irene who have been it girls and in the top ranks of popularity lists for years.
As for what someone likes to watch, that's just personal preferences that can have a legion of reasons. All the top groups have members that are just average and boring to watch perform unless you're a hardcore stan.
When did I say all of that are talents? Putting words in my mouth just bc I stated my negative opinion about your faves.
We are specifically talking about only these 3 groups, can you prove a point without mentioning Hwasa? Because Hwasa is not pretty, but the reason she got popular was bc of her charisma/personality/stage presence while Irene got there only bc of her face. Irene is not charismatic at all, please. Nor does she give facial expressions. Had she had Hwasa's face, she would have been the last in terms of popularity.
Star power/it factor/facial expressions still play a huge role. Jisoo is the prettiest, but Jennie is the one who is the most popular. Just like Tzuyu is the visual, but Sana (and Nayeon in Korea) are stan attractors, are more fun to watch and it will be good in the long run for longevity. Even in recent articles knetz say had Tzuyu had Sana's personality, she would've been more popular.
Everyone who is not a stan agrees, RV are boring to watch and Wendy and Seulgi look like they want to be on stage. Funny how you didn't address that.
Your faves are still boring to watch and are not interesting at all despite Irene being gorgeous. So it's not surprising they are not as popular as a group as BP and Twice are, despite coming from THE sm
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I know someone did not just say bp have strong rappers and are good performers lol
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Boring personality, zero variety skill. Just like aespa
fact
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I know someone did not just say bp have strong rappers and are good performers lol
Yes they are, what about it, not a single active gg is outperforming them, you probably think dancing hard choreo equals to stage presence
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I know someone did not just say bp have strong rappers and are good performers lol
Huh
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BP and TWICE have weak vocals compared with a lot of girl groups that have better. There are better female rappers than Lisa or Jennie and TWICE rappers arent even in the race. BP and TWICE also arent that great as dance groups, there are other groups that are better as a whole in dance and that includes 3rd gen groups.
Mamamoo, RV and Dreamcatcher are among the groups most praised for their vocals by casual k-pop fans and non-fans.
Talent has nothing to do with success or popularity or fanbase size, they aren't equivalent: one of the best super vocalists of the 3rd gen, solo artist Shannon, has had very low success let alone a huge fanbase.
OP knows this, that talent has little to do with fanbase size, but OP is simply trollbaiting.
only than Soyeon I don't think there is any other girl group with a better rap line than blackpink you might think they are overrated but they have better flow and delivery than many girl group let's be real.
while it's true that twice and blackpink don't have strong vocalists most girl groups don't have strong vocalists except like 2 or 3 groups at most or groups that only have a standout vocalist. Mamamoo is probably the exception.
Let's take gfriend as an example other than Yuju all gfriend are pretty weak other than Wendy, red velvet have average or below average vocalists.
at the end of the day stage presence and star quality is as important if not more than having great vocal technique it's not like kpop groups didn't train enough to be able to carry a tune they are at least adequate singers ,but if you are all about vocals then listen to Opera or something.
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Talent =/= popularity.
If that was true then groups like Twice and BP wouldn’t be the biggest ggs around. I mean let’s be honest here, Twice have proved multiple times they suck at singing (aka the most important skill for an idol group) with their encores and BP have weak singers and their routines are very basic.
However Twice and BP have 100x better marketing and image. You generally know what you’re getting with them and they directly appeal to certain audiences meaning they’ll have fans les likely to abandon them. If you’re a fan of either group then so long as they keep releasing the sound fans like and doing lots of activities like magazines and tv then fans will never leave. Case in point, BP have no cb for 2 years and very little group activities, things that can wreck most groups momentum but they’re still as popular as ever.
RV meanwhile keep shifting with very contrasting sounds sometimes with worse songs. For every psycho they release Queendom. For every red flavor they release really bad boy. It’s hard to keep fans if they don’t know if they’re like the next release. That combines with their awkward promotion strategy (long hiatus, not many group activities, other sm groups getting the spotlight etc) it gets harder to enjoy their content.
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This thread feels like made by a Once, trying to shade Red Velvet and fishing for compliments about TWICE.
Probably one of the same ones that always say that MY create their own Aespa shading threads.
This thread feels like its made by a reveluv trying to bait people into shading twice/once but it didn't work so they have to use more direct sad ways like this with a burner account. Not like that hasn't happened several times before.
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