Do you think KPop being tied to Korea weakened its long term prospects?

    i generaly agree with you. like you said, it would not make sence for 90% of the groups who mainly depend on korean support. So its a very elitist debate in the first place.

    I also cant see much of a difference for the actual top groups.

    But its not all black and white. There may be a few occasions were it may make sence.

    For example dreamcatcher and loona(maybe not so much because of chuu an her indivudual success in korea) have a relative small korean but considerably big us fandom. If the groups dont earn much with digitals, tv shows, ads etc. but mostly with concerts it could be more costeffective to move closer to your main fanbase.

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    i generaly agree with you. like you said, it would not make sence for 90% of the groups who mainly depend on korean support. So its a very elitist debate in the first place.

    I also cant see much of a difference for the actual top groups.

    But its not all black and white. There may be a few occasions were it may make sence.

    For example dreamcatcher and loona(maybe not so much because of chuu an her indivudual success in korea) have a relative small korean but considerably big us fandom. If the groups dont earn much with digitals, tv shows, ads etc. but mostly with concerts it could be more costeffective to move closer to your main fanbase.

    I am not objecting to Kpop spreading out. But the jerks in this thread who posit that Koreans should not matter, are an obstacle, gotten rid of etc.. are despicable.


    Groups like any business will try any market that will benefit them, they aren't anti anybody and definitely not Koreans.

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    I am not objecting to Kpop spreading out. But the jerks in this thread who posit that Koreans should not matter, are an obstacle, gotten rid of etc.. are despicable.


    Groups like any business will try any market that will benefit them, they aren't anti anybody and definitely not Koreans.

    well. if you live in korea you are pretty much spoiled compared to international fans.

    u are much closer to the artists. can go to fan cafes, concerts with m&g events etc. And since the idols themself are korean, even on the apps the artists mainly talk to the korean fanbase. while int. fans are mainly left to watch online, vote, stream, buy merch or albums and look at numbers and stats...

    Like every 2-class society it creates hate in those who live inferior.


    Dont missunderstod. i dont say its right. because technicaly everybody could move to korea/learn korean.

    But it is how it is. and with growing international numbers, its more likely it becomes worse than better. so i guess you will have to deal with it.

    The insecurity/inferiority complex is no excuse for bigotry.


    The way I deal with it is by calling out such bigotry, wherever I encounter it.

    As in this thread.

    I don’t understand your obsession with not having a stadium for major concert events. The majority of Kpop acts aren’t playing stadiums in the first place and even here in the US, only the very biggest artists play them. Very successful and popular artists play arenas so I don’t know why that’s such a key part of your argument every time.


    I also don’t understand why people listen to music from a country they keep putting down. Kpop is literally Korean pop, either in Korean or made by Koreans (whether Korean artists or Korean companies) - it’s expanded around the world and shown it is borderless and that groups can be successful even if the majority of their success comes outside the country’s borders, so why exactly does it need to change where it’s headquartered?


    As for Koreans being less interested in Kpop, that’s true of many industries where countries export a product to a country that wants it, while interest in it may be declining in their own country. Still not a solid reason to justify a move.


    You’ve made the argument about issues in Korea, but every location will have its own issues respective to the country. For example, if Kpop was centered in Los Angeles, as you propose - trainees would not be able to prep the long hours to get ready due to the labor laws, minors would be bound by limited hours restrictions (they can work 8 hours a day and not more than 40 a week), whether trainees or performers, the cost would be much higher in general due to the state’s HR laws around minimum wage and overtime by how much you are working a day, and mandatory meal breaks. Then there are the higher costs of working with all the unions in the entertainment industry (stage employees, everyone on a film set for an MV - from the lighting people to the makeup artists) and the corresponding restrictions on time/hours/breaks. So now there is a much higher cost, which impacts the company’s profitability. And if you think the US media wouldn’t pounce on every aspect of this industry if it was based there, you’re very naive.


    Now if your argument here is that the industry needs better regulation on working hours, sexual harassment laws and that’s your argument for moving the center, then, possibly. But the fact that your argument seems to be centered on Koreans not having the appreciation you think they ought to, or not being “big enough”, naw.


    It’s fine in Seoul.


    I don't talk about political events unless they have something to do with KPop, and cultural imperialism is too big of a topic for me to talk about. I don't do that here and I only talk about matters which might relate to KPop.

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    I don't talk about political events unless they have something to do with KPop, and cultural imperialism is too big of a topic for me to talk about. I don't do that here and I only talk about matters which might relate to KPop.

    You mean you prefer to disguise the disgusting views you hold.


    Kpop without Korea

    Culture with imperialism/appropriation and denial to its originators.


    "Politics is downstream of culture".

    Politics is merely a means to achieve economic and cultural goals.


    You first set up a goal- in your case, taking K-pop out of Korea, rendering Koreans irrelevant.

    And then set the narrative, eventually might take a political shape.

    I know your rantings won't go that far, but still any such should be countered at the seed level itself.


    I am for spreading of K-pop or any cultural product, they will grow, spread, merge, diverge etc. etc. organically, economically etc.

    But any idiotic proposition that it should be denied to any set of people, particularly the originators - is despicable.

    KPop acts who did stadium tours in Japan -

    DBSK

    KPop acts which entered Tokyo Dome and had sold out concerts

    Rain, TVXQ, JYJ, DBSK (I consider the 5 member TVXQ and 2 member DBSK as separate acts), SNSD, Kara, Super Junior, Shinee, 2PM , EXO, BigBang, GDragon, Twice, BlackPink, BTS, NCT127

    KPop acts which had concerts at Saitama Super Arena, slightly smaller than Tokyo Dome

    DBSK, SS501, Super Junior, Shinee, FT Island, CN Blue, 2PM, Kara, SNSD, Shinhwa, BTS, Seventeen, Twice, NCT127, IZOne, BoA (and some actors).

    Kpop act which had stadium tours other than Japan

    BTS


    Yet


    only these acts had 2 day concerts in the Chamshil Olympic Stadium in K-O-R-E-A

    (Acts like HOT which debuted before the KPop era excluded.)


    EXO

    BTS


    (JYJ did two one-day events, and Shinhwa did one single-day event, but that's all).


    So, if Lee Jieun gets to do a 2 day concert at the main olympic stadium as feared by many, while not having a single major event outside of K-O-R-E-A (she only had some events in Southeast asia in middling venues; SE Asia doesn't lack big soccer fields but she can't have events there) the entire balance of power changes.


    Media in other countries are less likely to meddle with the comings and goings of Korean artists since it's not their primary focus.


    Korea is now becoming a huge drag against KPop's success, because of the indifference of its general pop, the aggressiveness of attacks against them from the general public, media and politicians, and the crowding out of its market by the domesticists.


    If all major Kpop acts moved away from Korea, few people will pay attention to its domestic issues and Korea's domesticists will return to their obscurity as they deserve;

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