what is your stance on man's obligations if he doesn't want the child?

since we have an abortion thread i guess i'll ask my question as well

1. we know that it is a woman's body thus she gets to decide whether to keep a pregnancy or not.

2. thus a man (unborn child's father) has no rights to force woman to either keep the child or abort.

3. the parties (man and female) have sexual relations purely for sex and purely for pleasure without any doubt of rape or sexual assault or otherwise and completely 100% consensual. no alcohol impairment for either parties and both parties are legal adults

4. as a result of 3, the woman becomes pregnant.

5. as a result of 4, the man wants the woman to abort but because of 1 and 2 the woman decides to keep the child.

6. should the man have obligations towards the child given that he had no say in the keeping or termination of said child ?

7. there is no element of fraud or lying pertaining to the use of contraceptives, either both parties used it and it didn't work or they didn't use it because they decided together

8. what are the man's obligations with respect to child support given the above?

(ignore state ordered child support but discuss with respect to the considerations mentioned above)

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Quote from silver25

if he really doesn't want the child, then he's allowed to go. no one should be forced to raise a kid.

including child support?

so no obligations whatsoever

Quote from Burrito

the man shouldn't be forced to take care of the kid but should atleast pay child support in some sort of way bc the other party would have too much of a burden financially considering how expensive it is to take care of an ugly potato baby, but like both parties should be responsible for not taking precautions beforehand if they hadn't already

besides state ordered child supporg why should the man pay child support...what is the rationale behind it given he had no say in the keeping or otherwsie of the child ?

Quote from chaengaro-o

If the man doesn't want to raise the child he can go, and if I'm able to support the child on my own then I'm not gonna waste any time asking someone for help when they don't want to.

no obligations including child support ?

Quote from QiongqiongHua

Use protection, is it really that hard?

the question is not the use or otherwise of protection the question is on the consequences of the absence of such foresight

Quote from Alex_Murphy

The father may not have to raise the child, but he'll have to support the mother and child financially. He can't just dodge it like "not my problem!".

why though? what is the rationale behind forced child support in this situation ?

Quote from Poetry

I make enough money so I don't care if dude gives child support. If he's rich, I hope he at least put kid in his will or give money for college.

Not caring for one's own DNA is questionable behavior imo.

Quote from chaengaro-o

Only if it's the only option left, supporting a child should be a priority not an obligation

so therefore you believe that in such situations i decribed above its purely voluntary and thus the state should not intervene to force state ordered child support (in this specific situation )

Quote from pinkcerise

if there was no deceiving and the two aren't in any kind of commited relationship then i believe the man should be able to sign away his rights to the child and forgo child support... the only thing i believe unwilling men in an accidental situation should be expected to do is help the women terminate the pregnancy if she is having trouble paying for/finding the resources

interesting and thus you would say then that the state should not force state ordered child support obligations in such situations

Quote from 2yr

situational,

like really situational.

it's awful to see when a guy is trapped into child support when he didn't want children, and i've seen situations where a guy says he doesn't, then goes and has children with someone else.

i've seen a situation where a girl was raped and forced to have the child, and was well off, and forced to pay her rapist child support since he sued and won joint custody. she has to see her rapist for the rest of the child's life.

then you have the guys who aren't the bio dad and separate/divorce and are forced to pay child support since they didn't contest paternity at birth.

there isn't always a black and white situation with a simple solution, well at least until there's a male birth control pill or other easily available non invasive method of bc.

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but what situational my post made it very clear no signs of rape and 100% consensual...

they just had sex and sex alone no alcohol nothing...

the woman keeps baby but man said no, man has no rights thus what are his obligations afterwards

Quote from Serendipity2000

Both parties should be more cautious. However I believe the woman has the right to decide what to do with her body. The baby didn't pop in the woman's stomach by itself right? The same way money also won't appear out of the blue to take care of it. Paying child support is kind of his responsibility imo.

why is it his responsibility though

absence state ordered child support what is the rationale in these circumstances?

Quote from Alex_Murphy

Responsibility. You had sex with the woman. If a child is born out of this union, you must own it. It's not a matter of choice. Now if you can strike a deal with the mother and she agrees to not disclose who's the father then you're fine. But otherwise you have to take responsibility for your actions.

That's the rationale.

responsibility for the sex though correct?

not all sex leads to pregnancy and even then not all pregnancy leads to child...

the choice or absence of choice on the fathers part - does that not shift the responsibility ?

Quote from keaji

Agree. If he was able to had sex with someone without protection just for pleasure, he should take the responsibility. It was his decision, he wasn't forced into sex.

but so was she...both parties are consenting adults to the sex... only one party gets to make the keep or terminate decision

why should another party bear the consequences of that decision ?

or put it another way can the man force the woman to keep the child if she does not want to ?

Quote from 2yr

no obligations and no rights,

if it was consensual, then the parents (in the US, limitations varying from state to state) can terminate parental rights.

so therefore no obligations period including child support ?

Quote from Alex_Murphy

If you try to showcase an inequality between men and women on this subject, then yes of course. The mother's choice is basically the only one that matters. She's the one who carries the baby in her womb. So as a man you can't force her to abort if she doesn't want to. Unless you live under questionable laws that don't exist today, I think?

you are absolutely correct here in which case why should he bear the obligations if she decides to keep the child

Quote from SandyBee3

Depends!

If the guy was trapped to have a child ( woman manipulating the protection, secretly not taking her pill etc) even though he said he doesn’t want children, I think he should not have any obligations.

If both of them weren’t capable of using protection then sorry boy, you are in this boat together with her, pay your child support!

no trap nothing 100% sex...consensually

what would be your rationale for the child support though?

Quote from chaengaro-o

If this situation were to happen exactly then yes. If he's not stepping up and deciding to take responsibility, I can't force him since the circumstances that led to it were not forced

well that would not be a very uncommon situation though would it when its just two people having sex...

Quote from neonanton1

If he wants to walk away that's fine but I need paperwork signed saying you don't won't connect the kid at all you can't wake up one day on your death bed hoping to see a child you never wanted.

thats fine so no obligations at all including financially ?