Posts by girl_group_lover

Correction, Generation 3 started in 2012, not 2013. EXO, BTOB, BAP, VIXX all debuted in 2012 and they are considered 3rd gen groups. 2012 was when the new wave of rookies started to come in, in attempt to continue what their seniors (2nd gen) have started (the hallyu wave). AOA and EXID are also part of gen 3 (not gen 2.5), considering they debuted in 2012 as well. 2012 was the year when most of 2nd gen groups started coming back once a year (already well established and becoming less active compared to their rookie days); while a whole new flood of rookies came in. Groups that debuted this year:

- 100%

- 15&

- AOA

- B.A.P

- Big Star

- BTOB

- C-CLown

- Crayon Pop

- Cross Gene

- Evol

- EXID

- EXO

- Fiestar

- Glam

- Hello Venus

- Mr.Mr

- NU'EST

- Spica

- Tiny G

- VIXX

- Wonder Boyz

These aren't even all of the rookies, I only listed the ones the majority of people would know of. And a majority of these groups brought something new to the table, while some others were extensions of already existing concepts, or they were brother/sister groups, but overall, 2012 is the start of gen 3. If you say 2013 was the start of gen 3 then all these groups above would be considered gen 2.5, which they aren't. 2nd gen is like 2003-2010, 2011 is gen 2.5, 2012 officially marks gen 3.

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Sales & Charting and maybe survey like Gallup are the most objective measurement of popularity, things like

'Dope was the song people saw and were like "omg they are amazing performers"' are very vague.

Also, HYYH Pt1 sales by the end of May 2015 were 147k+, bigger than any Got7 album sales at that point.

If you still don't understand my logic, let's put it this way. BTS can sell more NOW than what Michael Jackson did in his heyday. But are we gonna say BTS is above Michael Jackson now? No we aren't. Michael Jackson is still Michael Jackson, the King Of Pop, regardless of what his sales look like compared to BTS.

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BTS was clearly bigger than GOT7 in 2015.

- Better album sales :

BTS-HYYH Pt 2 (274k+) vs GOT7-MAD (91k+). BTS were the 2nd best seller after EXO in 2015

- Better Digital

On 2015 Gaon Year End Digital Chart : BTS-I Need U charted at #90, while GOT7 didn't charted at all

- Better Charting internationally :

BTS-HYYH Pt 2 chart on US BB200 at #171 and Oricon Japan at #15, while GOT7 never have any entry on US BB200 and on Oricon Japan their highest peak in 2015 was at #32 with 'Just Right' album

- Higher Youtube Views, I don't have the exact number, but by the end of 2015 BTS-Dope have more views than GOT7-Just Right

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I was talking about HYYH Pt 1. HYYH Pt 2 didn't come out until like the end of the year. You're really gonna tell me in general, BTS was bigger than GOT7 for the ENTIRE year of 2015 because they sold a lot for an album that dropped 1 month before the year was over? So ok, let's acknowledge that. By December of 2015, BTS > GOT7. But how about the previous 11 months? Granted I Need U did well. But is one song enough to determine an entire group's status? I mean, to some extent yes. But to say they ruled over GOT7, not exactly.

I mean Momoland Bboom Bboom did really well in 2018, but does that mean they were suddenly A List celebrity? Next to Red Velvet/Blackpink/Twice? I doubt it. It brought them recognition but there was still a wall between Momoland's status and the big 3 girl groups. We're here in 2021 and I don't think anyone will say Momoland is a top girl group. Clearly, having a breakthrough and a song that does really well doesn't always mean you've reached success, or surpassed your competition. Similarly, I Need U doing really well doesn't equate to BTS themselves being bigger than GOT7.

Although GOT7 debuted after BTS, but coming from the Big 3, ppl were already immediately paying more attention to GOT7. From their debut, GOT7 already got massive media and public recognition. BTS did not until 2016. Sales doesn't always represent a group's status. If you time traveled back to 2015 and interviewed random ppl on the streets, asking them to list the top 3 (currently active) boy groups...BTS isn't going to make it there. It was probably going to be Big Bang, EXO and Winner. BTS' popularity was limited to only within the fanbase, not the public. They have yet made a name for themselves/put their name out there.

Also, EXO definitely had the top sales in 2015. But I actually chose Big Bang as the bigger act of 2015 (this is coming from me, an EXO-L). Simply because how much people were impacted and listening to Bang Bang Bang and the other songs off the MADE album. Bang Bang Bang had more impact than any EXO title track in 2015, regardless of sales. Not everyone was jamming to Call Me Baby or Love Me Right but EVERYONE was jamming to Bang Bang Bang. I don't think EXO was the bigger act just because they had more sales.

PS: Even if we put this whole BTS vs. GOT7 debate aside. The user (flopppy) who I originally was having a debate with, was mentioning how I Need U was bigger than any EXO song from 2015. Can I just call bullshit on that. Call Me Baby was definitely more impactful than I Need U. And actually...Dope was the 2015 BTS song with the bigger impact. I wouldn't disagree if someone says Dope was bigger than Call Me Baby. Dope was the song people saw and were like "omg they are amazing performers" and that was the song that attracted a lot of BTS' international fanbase. More so than I Need U. You see? The "better sales/charting =/= the bigger song" also applies to BTS themselves.

Better sales and chart position does not 100% indicate a certain song is bigger than another.

Better sales and chart position also does not 100% indicate a certain group is bigger than another.

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In which world was bts behind got7. Stop that c***. Bts was no1 international and no3 in korea. There is nothing to argue.and bts i need you was a bigger hit than any other song exo released that year.

Bruh, BTS wasn't even acknowledged by Korea's general public until 2016. They were nugus in 2013 and 2014. They did not get a major increase in their international fanbase until 2015 (thanks to I Need U and Dope). And did not get a major increase in their domestic fanbase until 2016 (thanks to Fire and Blood Sweat & Tears). Finally, in 2017, BTS was able to solidify their branding and name (thanks to Not Today, Spring Day, and DNA). That's when they took over EXO's spot as the top group. Before then, BTS did not have as much of an impact, in either sales or popularity. If you think 2015 BTS was bigger than 2015 EXO and GOT7, then you are delusional. BTS didn't start out as a top group. Don't we all know that they had to slowly and gradually build their way up there? 2015 was definitely ruled by Big Bang and EXO.

Wasn't Seventeen's breakthrough Mansae? That's the song that got their name out there to begin with.

Bang Bang Bang alone > every song EXO released that year (Call Me Baby, Love Me Right, Lightsaber, Unfair, Sing For You). And I mean by how big the song was (not how much the song or album sold). I'm an EXO-L and I gotta admit it. Bang Bang Bang was like the most influential and viral song released in Kpop that year (both domestically and internationally). Not to mention, there was also Loser, Zutter, Sober, Bae Bae. Big Bang was definitely the main focus of 2015. EXO was probably a close second. GOT7 was third (Just Right, If You Do). BTS was fourth (I Need U, Dope, Run). Followed by Seventeen (Mansae), and then Monsta X (Hero).

PS: Some may argue BTS should be before GOT7 but we should remember this was GOT7 in their peak while BTS was just starting to pick up some popularity. BTS wasn't exactly in the spotlight yet.

Bruh, I knew about Run Devil Run but not this song. This is a pleasant (and very late) surprise.

I think in Kpop, people are just used to a change of concept and sound every comeback, so when a group has a reoccuring concept and sound, people feel like it's the same thing over and over again. Gfriend and KARD has also had the same comments made about them. But also, I just think people wanted to see a different side of Blackpink and weren't given that. Simply because Blackpink debuted with such versatile styles, Whistle, Boombayah and Playing With Fire, Stay....and even As If It's Your Last. Each song was a different vibe, concept and sound. But then starting from Ddu Du Ddu Du, the vibes starting being being the same. Ddu Du Ddu Du was great but like...they should have switched it up for the next comeback, but then we get Kill This Love. And then we get How You Like That. At last, Lovesick Girls was a different sound.

"LIMOUSINE CHAMPAGNE BLING BLING JEWELRY CHAIN"

One word. Iconic.

I agree Secret and SISTAR were like the female counterparts to 2PM, since 2PM's main marketing point was how they stepped outside of the box and brought a "beastly" image to men, instead of the "flower boy" image that was popular back then. They showed another type of attractiveness, another type of charm and was oozing with confidence and a fierce image. Secret and SISTAR basically did that as well.

BUT...

I think we are forgetting one group. Which was 2PM's labelmates, Miss A. Like bruhhhhhhh. Talk about fierce, showcasing a different type of attractiveness, being "sexy" and confident. Miss A definitely was there as well. That was their entire branding. Too bad their career as singers were short and people didn't give any attention to the other girls and instead only focused on Suzy while they were a group.

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E-Young from After School

Eyoung is no longer active in the industry but she has her own band now (literally called the Eyoung Band). She plays at small events here and there. She also usually has posts on her instagram relating to her band's schedule/where they play at. And there are also videos on youtube (fancams). PS: Girl is an excellent dancer and an amazing musician but her vocals really need work. Her weaknesses really show in these videos.

Eyoung and her band performing Maroon5 - This Love

Eyoung and her band performing Rihanna - Unfaithful

Eyoung and her band performing After School - Because Of You

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That idol that was formerly in Brave Girls...

disappeared so much that I don't even know her name lol

Brave Girls has like 6 former members...which one lol

At 0:55, GD says "My name is G-G-G-G baby baby, GD GD baby baby", which is clearly a reference to SNSD's Gee.

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Being a Sistar/T-ara/2NE1 fan, I was apathetic years ago

SAME! Apart from the groups you mentioned, I was also a fan of 4Minute, After School, Girl's Day, and AOA. 4Minute was a whole lot of HyunA, AOA was a whole lot of ChoA, Girl's Day was a whole lot of Minah and After School was a whole lot of Kahi (and Raina). After School and 4Minute were a lot like T-ara, where it was 'normal' and reoccurring for certain members to only get 3 secs in an entire song. Girl's Day and AOA were like SISTAR, where the main vocalist basically sang everything (even the lead vocalist barely sang, let alone the sub vocalists).

Molla eotteokhae nan molla michigesseo neol nolchigi shireo~

This was, and still is, my favorite part of the song (and choreo!).

Idk why but it's hella catchy!

It doesn't matter that there were senior groups who were dominating. It's basically a new kpop generation when there is a new wave of rookies that bring change to the kpop scene (it has nothing to do with who's dominating). The idols from the 90's to early 2000s promoted and were marketed one way, the second wave of idols starting with TVXQ, Big Bang, Super Junior, SNSD, Wonder Girls, KARA and continued on with 2NE1, 2PM, 4Minute, Beast, After School, fx, SHINee, T-ara, Infinite, Miss A, SISTAR etc, were promoted a separate way. This was when "concepts" and extreme synchronized dancing became a thing. And many different styles (that were never done before) were introduced in to the Kpop scene. These were concepts and styles that were much different from the senior groups. That's why they were considered the 2nd gen of kpop. Because there was change, the industry evolved in to something different. This was Kpop's golden era.

And then in 2012, an abundance of groups like EXO, VIXX, BAP, NU'EST, AOA, EXID, Hello Venus, BTOB, Crayon Pop, Cross Gene, Spica, Fiestar, EVOL, Glam, etc came into the kpop scene, and they brought change once again. And all of these were just groups that debuted within that one year. There's more. BTS in 2013, GOT7, Red Velvet and Mamamoo in 2014, GFriend, Seventeen, Monsta X and Twice in 2015, Blackpink and NCT in 2016 are also part of this wave. They have similar styles to their sunbaes but are all elevated versions (same formulas but with extra spice). Some of these groups were also somewhat revolutionary (like VIXX/BAP/Monsta X's style and concepts, EXO/BTS/GOT7/Seventeen's performances, AOA and EXID pushing boundaries for sexy concepts etc).I really think this era was Kpop's peak. From 2012-2016. And then it started slowing down in the next couple of years.

And I think it's fair to say we're kind of transitioning into the 4th gen. Or some may argue we're already there (since 2019). With the new wave of rookies that are being introduced into the world of Kpop now.

I think definitely SHINee's Ring Ding Dong

And maaaaaaybe UKISS's Man Man Ha Ni (?)

This thread made me realize that even though boy groups typically have the bigger fanbase, stronger fandom, better sales etc, there aren't too many songs by them that are as big of a hit as girl group songs. I can list maybe 20 girl group national hits off the bat, but boy groups...oof. It's difficult lol. Especially when we exclude Big Bang and people already commented the ones I can think of before me.

AFTER SCHOOL!!! MY ULTIMATE BIAS GROUP!!!

THEIR RECENT REUNION STAGE HAD ME CRYING

Didn't Bom reveal they recorded a song together? With Dara finally leaving YG, 2NE1 should reunite officially and release that song. I am down for a 2NE1 comeback.

No one is rushing for a comeback, you delulu. BTS' comeback was reported to be happening at the start of this month, way before this alleged "comeback hint" from Big Bang. Also...didn't Seungri announce his retirement from the industry? Like 2 years ago? Are you forgetting that? An OT5 comeback isn't likely at all.