Posts by Heavens-Eye

  • Warner Music Korea trying to buy out 50/50 along with another company

    Quote from K-PL

    If it is a co-owner selling their own shares, then it isn't extortion.


    Would be interesting to see the current ownership breakdown, because if this noisy guy only owns 20% now, then all he is doing is just making noise.

    Okay, because I could have sworn Fifty-Fifty was already connected to Warner Music Korea, so this really confused me. Turns out, these guys just love their noise marketing. They must have seen SM do it with CBX and thought it sounded like a good tactic. They really ought to tone it down a bit, though. They already got caught lying before about Fifty-Fifty coming from a broke company.

  • Honestly, I think Yujin is actually the company favorite, not Wonyoung

    I do wonder about this. Before, I thought that Wonyoung stans were just being delusional (especially her Chinese bar that threatened to boycott), but it's true that recently she hasn't been doing anything, while Yujin is locked in on a hit reality show and getting brand deals every day. And this is no hate to Yujin, I'm just confused about what it is that Starship is doing with Wonyoung, having her sit around jobless this whole time. Part of me is wondering if it's because Starship might charge a higher price for Wonyoung's brand deals, maybe she's gotten a phobia for appearing solo on broadcasts because of the unreasonable amount of hate she always gets, so she requests Starship to turn them down for her, or she is secretly in the works on some project yet to be announced (I can only guess an acting project of some sort. That's the only thing I think could be eating up all her extra time).If not, Starship it truly a flop company who sucks at promoting their idols. It also doesn't help that IVE's growth seems to be slowing down a bit.

  • [enter-talk] Do you agree that NewJeans are the TOP Idols right now?

    Literally, all the 4th gen groups are about neck and neck in nearly every aspect, with some having slightly better performances depending on where you look. There is no clear leader as of yet. Stating anything less is pure delusion.

    Quote from Icaro_Ribeiro

    OMG sold the same as Unforgiven and the last Ive full album, outselling both in the next comeback is possible, OMG and their debut EP still selling a lot every month (OMG sold 100k last month, it was released in January). NJ fandom is growing fast


    NJ is bigger than G Idle digitally as well


    Your comment about Spotify... you're clueless. Cupid is by far the biggest 4th gen hit WW, I agree, but NJ keep doing 4 million plus streams a day and it will sure explode after their next album

    Notice how you conveniently left out Aespa's album sales? Yeah, because I didn't. And notice how you also said OMG sold the same as Unforgiven and IVE's last album and not outsold them? Yeah, because I didn't. Selling the same does not mean being the 1 top. Or perhaps you guys are confused about the meaning behind the term, 1 top? Yes? Well, let me clarify for you. When you are the 1 top, you are on a completely different level - like BlackPink or BTS are to other girl and boy groups. Not whatever you think New Jeans is.


    And yeah, New Jeans is doing slightly better on digitals internationally, but this wasn't a question about who is the 2 top. So It doesn't matter how much higher their streams are, the reality is Fifty-Fifty is still above them, viral hit or not.


    So again, by what metric are New Jeans the 1 top in anything when they aren't leading in anything? but playlisting.


    And no, "predicited growth" is not an objective metric. It's crazy that I even have to explain that. We are talking about right now, as in the present, not the supposed future.

  • [enter-talk] Do you agree that NewJeans are the TOP Idols right now?

    Those New Jean fans surely are getting delusional on the korean side.


    Physical sale it's Aespa leading 4th gen. Followed by IVE and Lesserafim.


    Digital wise they are neck and neck with IVE and G-Idle.


    The only huge benefit they had is Spotify, and even then, it's nugu group Fifty-Fifty who has tr most monthly listeners.


    Exactly in what way is New Jeans the 1 top of anything?


    edit: The New Jean fans are delulu on this site too it seems lol not y'all quoting me with nonsense! :cryingr:

  • We are in Gen 5

    Quote from hokiedood

    You're the only one disputing GIdle's placement because of what MNet says. MNet is the definitive K-Pop channel. Why would you bring them up as a source that should be disbelieved as if they have no credibility? Are you also disregarding Hanteo?


    NCT debuted in 2016. Hardly anyone is calling them 4th gen.

    I'm far from the only one, actually. Like I said, it's something even Knetz have debated about. Of course, these comments are usually scattered about, so it's pointless to just expect you to know if you haven't seen any. But they are there, and there are also posts about it. I took the liberty to look up one just as an example: This post


    As for Hanteo, yes, I'm debating their credibility. As I said in an earlier comment, there is no clear "objective" way to determine when a generation starts or ends; it's mostly, something that is generally agreed upon by the masses. Gidle and lots of other groups like them have been media played as 4th generation by their company and fans. Hanteo is not the official authority on genrations. They take what they see and work with it. Which is how NCT nearly got away with being categorized along with them as 4th gen. And yes, hardly anyone calls NCT 4th gen, because, like I said, they got called out early on with it before it could catch on.

  • We are in Gen 5

    NCT would also be there now too if Knetz hadn't call them out when they tried. But that's what corporations do. I've seen many Knetz also question if G-idle is 4th gen or not. As for Mnet, you're using the very company that's the reason we're evening having this discussion in the first place as proof?

  • We are in Gen 5

    Quote from neigl

    Is there a difference between viviz and BB Girls because BB Girls redebute with all the members from their latest Brave Girls lineup?

    Like gfriend and Brave Girls are 3rd Gen. And so are the members. But now viviz is a 4th Gen group with 3rd Gen members.

    That would make BB Girls also a 4th/5th Gen group with 3rd Gen members. 🤔

    Yes, I also considered Viviz when I was making that post and I see them the same as Brave girls. Just a rebrand under a new company. I've literally never seen anyone refer to Viviz as a 4th gen group though, and I wouldn't consider them as such either. The difference between groups like Viviz/BB girls and Wonyoung is that 1, Brave Girls and Viviz are in a much older age group (I saw someone here say that you can't use ages for generations, but I disagree. While I wouldn't rely on age alone, I'd say it's definitely a factor because generations also involve peer groups), And 2. they are also the same group just reoganized uder a different name, so virtually, nothing has changed (except Viviz lost a couple of members). While Wonyoung on the other hand, started her career at literally 13 years of age, now putting her in the same peer group as New Jeans, Baby Monster, Nmixx, etc.), Iz*One was also just a project group made soley for promotional purposes, it was never her real group. IVE, on the other hand, is her real group, and all the members aside from Yujin are all brand new.


    Tldr;

    BB Girls/Viviz: Older age group, debuted during the third generation in their real groups, reformed with same member under a new name.


    Wonyoung (and Yujin etc.): same age group as 4th gen, debuted during the 4 gen, and group has brand new members who are of similar ages.

  • We are in Gen 5

    Quote from godkingteshub

    Generations shouldn't be based on your personal biases. It should be an objective category taking into account the kpop industry as a whole

    Firstly, there is no "objective" way to define a generation. You're the one who made the presumption that I was putting Wonyoung in the same generation as Irene. I then explained that I wasn't, and now you're accusing me of trying to determine generations based on "my personal biases" based on said explanation? Furthermore, I quite literally said in one of my responses above that I would acknowledge the start of the 5th gen when there is a consensus that doesn't just consist of mnet and the fans of the new group mnet is trying to push. As far as I have seen, most people do not agree that we are in 5th gen, that includes even Knetz as well.


    edit: Sorry, I misquoted you. Thought you were BlackpinkHouse


    But anyway, didn't you literally title this thread: "We are in Gen 5"? And didn't you also try to use the length of time as a kpop fan as grounds to dismiss me on the matter? Funny then, that you turn around and tell me that I am the one trying to define generations based on personal biases.

  • We are in Gen 5

    Quote from godkingteshub

    Since 2000

    I wasn't trying to compete with you. You're the one who suggested I was new to K-pop when I'm not. And even if I were, that has nothing to do with it ( ad hominen, much?). All the information you brought forth I was already aware of when it comes to the past generation, and anyone, regardless of when they joined Kpop, could acess the same information with research.


    But getting back on topic, different people have different interpretations of when a new generation starts, but only when we reach a general consus will I aknowlege the start of 5th gen. And as far as I can tell, the only people pushing for the start of 5th gen are companies debuting new groups and the stans of those new groups - all of which are only after bragging rights.