Posts by Blossomin88

I saw the MMA video yesterday, and all the groups, even Illit, got good cheers during the nominations. But when it was lsf turn, it went completely silent. I never paid much attention to stuff like this, but I didn’t expect to see that happen to such a popular group. It was awkward. So, it just makes me wonder how much everything that happened this year has affected them and their popularity. Personally, I don’t think the Coechella and hybe feud a big of a deal for people to feel so torn about them. Especially the Coachella one, it's such a silly 'controversy' for me.

I’m not following their charts or international achievements, I can’t say much about that. So I’m wondering how bad the vocal controversies were for them. I’m also not sure if the whole Hybe vs. MHJ feud is affecting them, since that seems more focused on Illit.

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What do you expect? He's a Leo! Pride in his work is a massive thing to him, and for someone like MHJ's label to be successful without him, under his own company, is a massive stinger to his ego. He wants groups under Hybe to be successful, but only with his input and production (bar SVT, since they were successful before him).

People who judge personalities based on horoscopes are weird. No one can change my mind.

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lol Ive was mentioned 100 times in this thread that’s why I just included them…

And I got confused by your reply saying Sakura is behind Karina, Ningning and Yuqi and thought that you forgot to include Ive lol

I don’t think gg fans can buy that much albums when biggest girl groups only manage to sell out KSPO dome unlike Lim Wong Young who can easily sell out Seoul World Cup stadium several times and tour everywhere in Korea

It’s so much easier to just admit you misunderstood me from the start, like a normal person, because what everyone else does said here has nothing to do with me, the one you’re replying to.

Who said all those sales are from Korea, since NJ has a large international fandom unlike Lwy? He's just a good example of how Koreans can contribute a lot in sales when the artists have a huge fanbase there, which obviously Nj biggest advantage compared to Lsf since Kpop biggest market is still their own country. Not to mention, there are so many countries in the world, including Sea, which is also a huge contributor to album sales.

At this point, I feel like you don’t really have a point and just don’t want to lose the arguments for whatever reason.

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I’m not triggered at all lol

But what surprises me that lsfm albums sales are really low compared to NJs! Lsfm sells better than them in Japan, Now lsfm sells better than Njs in US, Sakura has a big fan base in China and still Lsfm sells much less than NJs?

Also NJs has pretty good number of preorders from China(350k for OMG if I’m not wrong) but lsfm doesn’t have that much preorders or I couldn’t find one

Oh yeah I was confused about Ive not being popular in China…

Well QQ music still shows popularity of a group in China but I don’t know why some appear on the list and some not

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And if you’re not triggered, then what's up with all those sudden, weird Ive inserts that are out of topic? And why is it surprising when Korea is still the biggest contributor to album sales for Kpop? LWY managed to hit 1 million sales just from his domestic fans. So, meaning Nj have solid fanbase there. And Nj did blow up in sales in China during the Omg era, but after some controversy that makes them getting 'boycotted' a bit and Kpop restrictions in China, they lost a big chunk of their sales there. Their next comeback, Get Up, only had 180k preorders. Yet, by this people understood that they’re one of the few groups that won’t see a decrease just because they lost sales from China. Then, this year’s comeback didn’t even hit 100k, with Haerin's bar (their biggest one) only reaching around 30k+. Meanwhile, Antifragile had over 200k preorders (I’m too lazy to search that), and Sakura’s bars alone were at 170k. Then we see an increase in next cb, with Unforgiven, they hit 318k. For their comeback this year, Sakura and Kazuha’s bars didn’t want to reveal the total sales for their albums because they’re mad at Soumu, but since Sakura’s bars always do 100k+, I don’t think much has changed. Her fanbase is super solid and consistent.

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Then why lsfm ain’t selling tons of albums lol?

Wonyoung’s bar is literally 2nd biggest bar among 4th gen idols only behind Karina! Ive is much more popular in China than lsfm!

Sakura is a Japanese idol she is loved in Japan not China!

Here best selling kpop albums in China this year(digital copies of album)

First 2 spots are occupied by Aespa and then Gidle

And in 16th place Ive’s album but there is no lsfm

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Best selling singles in China 2024

And again lsfm is not here

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Here female groups followers on QQ music

It is not the best indicator of popularity ranking but NewJeans is there(I don’t know why Ive is not there tho)

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lsfm is popular in Japan not China

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What exactly did I say that got you so triggered to start posting about all these achievements? Did you even read what I wrote? Where did I say Lsf is as or more popular as the girl groups you listed in China? I just said they have more fandom power than Nj in China because of Sakura, and Lsf's Cbars numbers are always higher, which shows they have a more dedicated fanbase there compared to Nj. Everyone knows Sakura has a strong Chinese fanbase, especially those who’ve followed her since izone.

Also, I’m not sure if this part what makes you misunderstood my comment, but when I said Ive isn’t on the list, I meant they’re not nominated for MMA’s Best Female Group this year. That’s the whole point of this thread. So, there's no reason to include them to the conversation.

And like you said, the QQ Music followers list isn’t accurate anyway (Ive isn’t even on it), so why even bring it up?

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Since the original topic didn't feel the need to show proof of their opinion then why should I?

But I will say, historically, Melon has invalidated votes from China due to suspicious activity, so it makes more sense that the that LSFM may not have lost any Korean fans.

Where did I ask for proof again? I replied about last year's vote here, there wasn’t a huge difference from now. Their fandom just never that strong voters to begin with, so at least we're on the same page.

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Lsfm ain’t popular in China

1. Aespa

2. Gidle

3. Ive

Wall of China

4. Newjeans

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I never said they're on the same level as Aespa or Gidle, and Ive isn't even on the list. But from what I know, Lsf's Cbar orders are always higher than Nj's, plus they have Sakura, one of the female idols with the biggest fandom in China, so they're ahead of NJ when it comes to fandom power there.

Bts's hyyh era was the peak of Kpop in term of that, no explanation needed.

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It's so amusing for you to ask where LSFM's Korean fans are for a vote that is notorious to be mainly China Fan rigged and bought.

Funny how you’re throwing out those accusations because if that were true, we all know gidle would be on the top 2. And Sakura is probably the most popular there after Yuqi and Karina, maybe Ningning too. China has never really been Njs' strong market compared to others, and I’m not sure about Illit. We can see that from their cbars pre-orders alone to see how invested their fans there.

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I agree, let's also discuss Ive fandom? cause the f*ck??!

What happened? Can we compare to last year's numbers or smth? cause ...

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This was from last year. I don't think the difference is that significant.

Here is the comparison with last year. As I said, it's not really a huge drop since their Kfans were never that strong in the first place. Ive is not nominated for this category, they were replaced by Illit.

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Y'all better watch out for me in 2025. This was early Nov they are 1.9bil now and possibly 2bil before 2024 end

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The gap is embarrassing

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Are you aware of the fact that kpop isn't mainstream anywhere around the world cz it's simply kpop not English pop so yeah nobody listens to kpop other than kpop fans themselves. Only few kpop songs that got popular among the general public and 95% of the streams are coming from fans themselves. Among kpop fans Skz is indeed popular bjt if you're gonna talk about general public then nobody's popular maybe just V, jungkook, Jennie and Lisa.

Meh, I live in SEA, where Kpop is huge, and even if people don’t listen to it, most know groups like Bts, Bp, Twice, BigBang, and Snsd. Their faces have been everywhere in ads and as brand models for years , and their hit songs are still super popular here. Plus, Korean variety shows were a thing for before around, which introduces these groups to public too.

And we’re talking about group popularity here because, honestly, individual popularity isn’t even worth discussing. None of the Skz members are really known outside their fanbase (no offense, even as a kpop fan, the only one I know is Hyunjin, and that’s just because of that controversy).

On the flip side, idols like GD, Karina, and Wonyoung, who are popular with the general public in Korea, have that ripple effect that makes a lot of non-fans recognize them. Then there’s Cha Eunwoo and a few other idols who’ve gone into acting, that a lot of people can recognise because Kdramas are way more popular and love than Kpop here among gp.

This was from last year. I don't think the difference is that significant.

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Where do u live bc this is certainly not the case in Europe. No one from outside the kpop bubble knows who TWICE is.

OP didn’t mention a specific region, so I’m talking about where Kpop is more popular which is Asia. None of these groups are popular in Europe anyway outside the Kpop fan bubble to worth a mention.

I think popularity and fandom are two different things. Being popular means a lot of people, including non-fans (gp), know who you are. Having a big fandom, though, means you have a ton of dedicated fans. For example, Sabrina Carpenter or Olivia Rodrigo is always more popular than Bts or Bp members, but when it comes to fandoms size, they don’t have as huge as Kpop groups do.

So, outside of Kpop boundaries, I believe people still recognize Twice, dare I say even BB and Snsd more than them. But I do agree they have the third biggest fandom currently in kpop.

Exo is officially the Maria Carey of Korea.

So, does this mean Nj can't leave Hybe? Damn...

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I didn't know that happened to Pledis.

Agree. I don't think its a coincidence that BH chose someone who the BTS members regarded as an guardian angel to be the new CEO.

It's wild. That ceo was running Hybe Label Japan, and then out of nowhere, he becomes the Ceo of Pledis too, so now he's got a dual Ceo role in two different companies, which is crazy. He was the Vp at Pledis before being move to Japan label and is super liked by the fans since he's the one who responsible in Svt's debut and managing them. He's also has a great relationship with the members. This all happened just about a week or so after that IG post, so it's pretty clear something’s off behind the scenes. Now it’s happening with BTS too... So it's interesting

It’s so dumb to dismiss Ive when they’re having such a great year, just in different and even bigger areas like tours and sales. Not to mention, their peak at 2 in all charts for their cb this year. How is that being considered as flop or unsuccessful? I know they’ll crush it next year, and now same people who underestimated them are suddenly acting like they never tried to knock them off the top. I know, many acting this way just because they’re not from the Big 4, so the position looks not stable for some which again stupid. Let’s be real, if it was Lsfm or Nmixc in their position with those achievements they had, no one would even be debating this.

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Aside from potentially trying to remove the misogynistic label, it seems like BH appointed a person that their artist trust (which I guess they're trying to maintain after all the mess.)

Oh god, we need more Armys like you, the kind with whom many of us can peacefully have conversations without being accused of being Mhj followers..

But yeah, I agree with you. Recently, they have done that to Pledis too, shortly after Seungkwan posted that Ig story showing his discomfort with the whole situation. Something’s definitely going on over there because, I don't think it's a coincidence that two ceos for both of their biggest groups got replaced by people the members are familiar with.