Posts by Pumpkin-orange

Quote from yoyo281

Im not really familiar with iland, but if the show is in the summer, wouldn’t it make more sense to debut them at the beginning of next year? I guess enhyphen did debut right away.. I get you don’t want to loose the hype, but if you give them a variety show, showing them preparing for their debut I would think this would bring in more fans?

I have no idea what they planned lol if ador group isn't delayed they will debut this year and if iland follows similar timing like enhypen they will debut this year too.

Quote from yoyo281

Having 3 girl groups debut within the same company just doesn’t make sense though… but then again making sakuras group and Min Hee Jin’s group wait anymore isn’t really feasible.

I’m actually surprised Sakura is going to re-debut. She’s going to be 24 in a few weeks which is 25/26 in Korean age and will be spending the next 7 years with this group.

My guess is only 2 groups will debut and the other group will be beginning of next year. Why would you make all three groups compete for rookie awards?

iland is 100% debuting this year and probably ador group too so that's 2/3 hybe groups, only sakura group is left. It's better to debut izone girls as soon as possible to not lose hype but I'd not be surprised if that group is pushed to 2023

Is hybe debuting their 3 groups this year? Meanwhile ygngg nowhere to be found, I want yg to debut their gg this year too only for the chaos

Quote from SooYoung

it's really weird how their sales are fluctuating from big peak to really low sales by day

They are a shipping a big amount of albums at once, the same happened with treasure or kep1er (1st day sales)

Nmixx sales look pretty normal compared to ive and kep1er, all of them will end up with similar sales for their debut albums.

Quote from Whi

So is karina or winter the most popular aespa member in china? I’m confused 🤔

No idea what is this fantalks about but karina has the bigger cbar on aespa. It's already 170K followers

Quote from MakotoNijima

That average is from groups of big companies though, I'm just saying that I think you are putting the bar of "nugudom" too high, if you want to divide K-pop on tiers sure, may those numbers be considered "low tier" but nugu for me at least has a different meaning. I even created a tierlist of nugu 4th gen groups last month lol

I mean if top groups are able to sell 700k-1M sales, it makes sense 150K top for nugu groups?? Obviously if a group is able to sell 100K albums that's great regardless anything but if we compare it to top groups that would be still low. I'm just estimating, we'll have a better image next year about how much gg top groups are able to sell, many of them are just debuting now.

Quote from MakotoNijima

Thing is, the top group is Blackpink, but they barely make comebacks and when they do they would surpass the million, but the other "top kpop girlgroups" like Twice or Aespa sell around 600k which is quite a gap. You have to take on account that while groups debuting on big companies are selling a lot right now, if they start to debut more and more groups and to oversaturate the industry even more, I don't know if it's realistic to expect all groups from big companies to sell that much since debut, we would end up calling nugus almost all groups from mid-tier companies. Nugu for me carries the meaning of "pretty much nobody knows them/they are barely making it", so maybe it would be better if you consider those groups low tier if anything, because actual nugus can't compare at all to the ones I mentioned.

I don't think we shouldn't compare 3rd gen groups to 4th gen groups, the same way you wouldn't compare 2nd groups to 3rd group sales. Everyone is benefiting from kpop growth but especially new groups because people tend to stan new groups more than old ones (3rd gen groups) with a few of exceptions like bts and bp.

"I don't know if it's realistic to expect all groups from big companies to sell that much since debut" I'm sure ygngg will be able to sell 200K on debut, hybe groups will be iland another survival show and sakura group, they will sell a lot too. I don't know how well adore will do on debut tho. I can see the most of top groups reaching 700K-1M sales in the next few years, that will become the average like the average sales for top bgs is 1M right now but I could be wrong and I'm overestimating kpop sales growth.

Quote from MakotoNijima

It's true that sales are increasing a lot but 150k-200k is still a lot for girlgroups though, those are numbers Itzy was doing for their first comebacks, would you consider Dreamcatcher, Fromis_9 and Loona nugus? Big 3, Hybe and Produce groups will obviously sell much more since debut.

Top groups are the ones who will set the ranges. Kpop was growing internationally since 3rd gen and covid sped stuff up. I'm sure if itzy would debut this year their sales will be bigger than in 2019. As of right now big3 and survival shows groups are doing 200-350K sales on debut, once the rest of big4 groups debut we will see if they follow similar sales or not.

Touring could also slow down sales a bit for everyone, this year will be key, it's gonna be a bit hard to compare.

The title could be better with aespa having two members with potential to be big in korea which I don't think many groups have that, usually it's one member getting big popularity or none of the group

As Winter gets a lot of praise for her visuals, her big popularity comes from how charming and cute people find her, correct me if I'm wrong

Why are they teasing him for his weight when he's far from being fat?? Am i missing something??

Yes, they are nugu. Sales increased a lot this gen. Produce/survival shows and big3 groups are debuting with 200k-350k sales so far, that's only the debut album. I imagine ygngg and sakura/iland groups will follow similar sales and the most of top gg groups will reach 700K-1M sales in the next couple years with no problem. So i don't know where to cross the line.

Nugu until 150K-200K?? We have to consider charting too like if the group is charting well and their sales sucks like sistar, that's not nugu either but that's not the the case for billie.

Quote from lialve

idk I think it depends on what you're used to listening. I usually don't listen to songs that have a change of sounds/ what some might call experimental music, so savage is already 'mixed' to me but not enough that it's jarring (it was on first listen tho)

Savage change of sound is on the naevis part but it's very subtle, it goes well with the rest of the song and it's a short segment, there isn't a "what is going on?" moment comparing it to next level where the change of genre is pretty noticeable. I'd not include savage on this list.

Personally I wouldn't call aespa music experimental, black mamba and savage are normal songs (if you like them or not that's another story). Next level has that change of sound but it's just very minimal to call it experimental. NCT127 are the one doing more experimental music than aespa. Aespa have their own personal sound tho that some could confuse it with experimental and experimental =/= own sound

Quote from lialve

what would aespa savage fall under?

Savage doesn't have a noticeable change of sound like next level, I don't know why some include savage in this

Quote from atropos

What was color pop description tho? Twice did do cute concepts for quite a few years but they were smashing. O.O is bombing currently, not doing well anywhere. It would be dumb to continue

Not much different to nmixx description.

"The upbeat, quirky sound of TWICE’s songs blends many genres in an attempt to create a unique style for the group"

"Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth" I already saw a few stans calling the song unique and it doesn't have nothing to do with next level or sm.

It's gonna be interesting how the pubic will react to the this style of songs with each comeback.

Quote from alexS

I like it tho?

I actually really do.

I've listened to it at least 50 times now.

And once I realized the separation between songs and parts.

It's even better.

For a moment i thought your signature was jinni and not sana, they have similar vibes

Quote from NEO

These reports are based on assumptions and speculations and most of them were wrong last year.

And NCT Dream has already confirmed they are coming back with a full album, not a mini.

Aespa comeback in april or may makes sense without any speculation. The fandom is already expecting a comeback around that time anyway and the members are starting to give hints so it's close.

Quote from SooYoung

that's not the same

RV started to have content just recently because for the past 7 years they didn't have anything

Aespa literally in 1 years had more vlog and behind the scene content that RV had in 7 years

I remember reveluvs complaining about mistreatment and aespa being sm new fav child when aespa debuted because they were getting more content on youtube than rv lol now they are the ones getting more youtube content while aespa doesn't

Personally I don't care about youtube content, bubble + lives like vlives + some vlogs on youtube and if possible a reality show per year it'd be perfect for me. But I know others prefer to get content all the time like NCT