There are some narratives being pushed on AKP that are beyond tiring. This is one of them. Give it a rest already. NMIXX are the only JYP group struggling due to being given bad music. You can personally dislike everyone else's if you want, but their success tells a different story, and we don't need to be reminded every few days how much you hate the music of groups you're supposedly a fan of.
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What a convenient addendum to your "JYP loves buying awards" nonsense. Can't have anyone thinking that potentially includes Itzy, can we?
I bet you temporarily forgot they were a JYP group. Just admit you're being silly. Everyone who takes an award show that gives a single award to four different groups seriously is being silly. -
So they didn't bother inviting Twice, but they got Somi to dance along to their song instead? I'm not amused.
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all the 3rd gen stans emotional today regarding the end of era
Because older groups not appearing on a crappy award show is "the end of an era."
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What a weak lineup. Do they not WANT anyone to watch?
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The ladies and the tramp. Someone didn't get the memo.
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I see a dipshit alright...
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Mark my words, this will be the scandal of the year. I'm already hearing that (G)I-dle intend to hold a press conference and are currently checking the availability of Gangnam Total Landscaping.
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Are you the child of SeulgiAbs and The Minion?
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Yeah and everything put into context is exactly the answer you seeked for and why it wouldnt be "easy" for RV to be in BP's level in the US. Red Velvet would have never made it to the US because they're a group who heavily relies in said concepts you've been talking about.
Blackpink is one big concept.
The only difference between the two is that Red Velvet actually show some versatility instead of doing the same basic thing every time. Blackpink's image was purposely chosen to appeal to certain demographics, that's why they stick with it to the detriment of their music. The thing is, any other group can do the same thing if they hit big with a certain image. It's not difficult to repeat what you've already done. -
You truly succeeded in looking like a clown! Congrats!!
A clown with a captivated audience is a successful clown.
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You're so cringe, for real. The weird superiority complex over who listens to more music outside of kpop or not is weird as hell. No one's gonna talk about other faves in a kpop forum. So don't go surprised pikachu face when the conversation is..you guessed it..around kpop groups.
You thinking you're like the only person in this forum or something who listens to real music outside of kpawp is hilarious.
ShaShySha thinks Kpop isn't real music. Let's have a 10-page discussion about that.
I didn't force anyone to talk about non-Kpop artists, by the way, but everything has to be put into the proper context. Kpop doesn't exist in a vacuum.
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Discrediting something isn't a fetish, it's a critique.
And if I were seeking attention as you claim, I would say I've passed with flying colors, wouldn't you?
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That's not how the music industry works. Anywhere. Concepts are very much a thing in America, just not in the same way they are in kpop. I don't know what to tell you if you can't see something as simple as that.
Also, i cannot have an "intelligent" conversation with someone whose reasoning for the whole argument in the first place is clear dislike for a group and keeps backpedalling whenever the argument doesn't work in their favor.
I've backpeddled nowhere. Why would I? You don't even understand half the things I say anyway. You also didn't disprove anything I said. The "I don't know what to tell you if you don't agree with me" argument is no argument at all.
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Look at SNSD, half of them are under different companies for variety of reasons, yet they still continue having good relationship with the company.
Yeah, they have such good relationships with the company. It's not like they reunited for the group's sake, it's definitely because of their good relationship with the company. Take Taeyeon for example, who is still signed under SM, and who openly bashes the company on social media every chance she gets, because she knows she can get away with it.
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You are actually here discrediting a whole kpop while trying to make yourself look superior? In a kpop forum? Oh please, the joke...
It is what it is. I'm not going to sit here and pretend Kpop is the artistic apex of the music industry just to satisfy your tastes. I can tell it's the only thing you listen to, and I don't begrudge you the ability to do that, but I'm still going to keep it real.
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No, that's not what I was trying to say. Comprehend first, respond later. I can't respond to you intelligibly if you're mistaking what I said or putting words in my mouth.
Everyone markets their product, but not all music is flashy, image-centered Kpop, and not all musical artists are 99% image and 1% music. Most musical artists exist because they have music to sell and not just an image. Their image can be considered part of their marketing, but that is not the actual product they are selling. If people continue to enjoy a person's music even after an image change, they will continue to buy that person's music regardless of whatever is going on in the background.
Radical image changes are usually highly planned publicity stunts, part of an overarching marketing strategy that's often tied to a change in musical direction, except for cases where that person has just gone nutty. In these cases, it is not the change in presentation that turns people off from the product, it is the change in the product itself. Because again, an artist's image is not usually the product being sold, it is either simply who they are, or in more commercial cases, it is mere window dressing to help sell the product. People who listen to artists from genres that don't revolve around image (ie not Kpop) realize this and don't decide whether or not to purchase the product based on the marketing scheme being utilized. They are in it for the music. This is one of the reasons why "concepts" are not a thing here in America, you are expected to either be yourself, or at least present yourself in an artistic way that doesn't distract from your music. It can still be a manufactured image, so long as you aren't just selling an image.
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I never said otherwise. I don't know who you're arguing with, but it's not me.
You're still responding to me, so...
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Maybe it's because I follow actual artists while you follow Blackpink. We naturally have very different frames of reference.
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Lol, notice the 'I' in your sentence? Why the heck you fought people for pages only for something that only applies to you and trying to tell how should others feel about kpop songs or Bts? You should not even brought the topic at the first place because you not even consume their music and not even feel what their fans feel, as simple as that. And really funny when you saying multiple times in the replies about that's the reason why Bts released an English songs. Interesting takes.
And lol again, now music are limited to certain age to being considered as deep and meaningful? Bts released more things about self love, mental health and their raw experiences than many artists. There are tons of people like me with mental health issues that love their songs because of that. Idk if you want to call it as teenagers level of deep when people who struggling with things that most people like you might not understand can relate to their songs.
In short, just keep quiet. You think kpop is childish enough does not mean it's the same for others. This level of trolls is not even funny anymore, if that you trying to be. You not even giving your opinions but instead a mockery for those who used Bts songs as one of their healing methods.
Oh and I forget to say that I'm not a teenagers, lol.
That’s not true at all or many artists like Britney Spears would not exist. Even her forerunner Madonna was as much equally, particularly in her earlier years, about the image as much as the music. There are many many popular artists in American music in all genres who are popular due to their image, while other artists who don’t have the “look” may have have better music and be less popular. That’s the nature of popular music wherever you are.
As for artist’s images being neatly tied up in a box, that is very much an issue here, particularly when the artist tries to veer into another lane or style. American music is littered with artists who tried to do something different than their usual image and crashed and burned when people weren’t down for it. Being able to constantly pivot their image and/or style and remain as successful is more uncommon than people trying to change and crashing out.
Britney Spears might as well have not existed for the past 20 years. That's how long it's been since she was relevant, amid the bubblegum pop boom that no one has been able to recreate since. I was referring to the current American musical landscape, which is drastically different.
When American artists change their image, it usually gets people talking. The talk isn't necessarily always positive, but it's publicity all the same. They rarely "crash and burn" unless people aren't feeling the music itself, not just because they changed their image. As long as people want your actual product, how you choose to market yourself is just background noise. The problem with radical image changes is that they're often tied directly to an equally radical change in musical direction.
