Its not a popularity contest, my goodness.
Of course the Grammys are corrupt, all award shows are corrupt but the only reason why you guys are mad is because you were used for clout, which everyone knew.
Now guess what, if bts ever do win, folks will question whether it was because they earned it or was it simply for diversity
Dude calm your ass down, we get your "soojin is done, nothing can save her" agenda. Now take a chill pill and stop repeating same shit dozens of time in dozens of different threads
Hahaha oh man. I didn't know I had a fan. I would have said hello.
Yes I have repeated the same things about soojin being done just like many others and i have repeated she shouldn't lose her career over this and I have repeated that the accuser wants to destroy her and no apology is wanted.
Just like you keep posting threads of pann posts with a few hundred upvotes defending her and attacking anyone who thinks soojin did this, like MOST of your fandom has been doing both international and in Korea.
I get it, gidle just had a big month and now one of the most central members might lose her career for something that may have happened a decade ago and no one cares if its true or not.
But don't tell me what to do. I will repeat what I want to repeat however many times I want to repeat it.
I got a keyboard too and you don't scare me. I have gone up against armies, dealing with a nevie would be easier to taking a piss.
Oh for sure I'm not claiming that everyone had a sudden change of opinion on the matter. I think only those who follow closely the case are aware of those latest developments. Still, I think it's valuable information for those who wants to see the whole picture. Will it have any impact on Soojin's image? Probably not before Cube makes their next move. We'll see, I'm not claiming I know the future.
I respect that.
Maybe, I don't know them. Anyway it's genetic fallacy what you're implying.
What I am implying is that most folks don't know about this livestream or care, its just soojin's fans, who may I remind you, don't have the best image right now.
In fact, all of soojin defense have come from pann and you tell me how its been working out for her.
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The victim had said that she would be okay if Soojin apologized.
It seems that the sister won’t accept it and wants to make her(SJ) disappear(from the media).
She doesn’t correct misinformation coming out in articles.
I saw that she said this and that about how she can’t hold herself back about what people are saying about what she said in the livestream and that she’s going to take legal action, and that made me feel like what she really wants isn’t an apology from Soojin.
It made me feel like she just wants to ruin the person Soojin’s whole life.
But when the public opinion became unfavorable to her, she started complaining and posting stories on Instagram.
If she feels like it’s that unfair and that she is going to sue, then why won’t she just post the recording of the livestream?
I’m writing this post because I feel suspicions about the exposer(sister of C).
[+110, -7] What I’m most curious about is Seo Shin-ae’s actions. Everyone thought that she was a victim of Soojin’s school violence after seeing her posts, but people said that Soojin was in that friend group before Seo Shin-ae had moved to that school… The group that Soojin left the friend group is who harassed Seo Shinae and I feel like Seo Shinae posted that stuff on Instagram with bad feelings because that group used to be friends with Soojin
[+79, -6] I also wonder if she really wants an apology or she wants to ruin her career. If it continues like this, her(sister) public image
[+48, -0] Can’t they post it by blurring the screen and adding a voice changer?
[+12, -0] If there’s really things that were distorted, then I really hope they post it with a voice changer and the screen hidden
[+37, -0] Seeing as how she(sister) is going around on multiple websites and leaving comments about stuff, it seems like her goal is the change the public opinion and I don’t think it’ll end with an apology
[+30, -0] The issue isn’t the livestream but I think it’s weird to me is how it looks like she’s trying to drag this as long as possible
[+36, -0] It’s most likely that she just wants to ruin her career and not get an apology. She was a college student when she went and cussed at a middle schooler and took it to the school, so I doubt she didn’t get an apology back then
[+35, -0] It’s crazy to me how the discloser(sister of C) turned the livestream on herself and made the situation suspicious by her own mouth. If the livestream never happened, these issues would’ve never been raised and Soojin would have lost everything. It’s a weird situation and it’s just a bunch of posts by the discloser(C’s sister) with no evidence or witnesses. If evidence is revealed and the allegations about her school background is correct, it can be resolved at that time.
[+19, -0] If her statements were consistent, I would believe her but she keeps changing her words and keeps crossing the line with her actions so I don’t know what to think LOL
[+29, -0] It looks like the exposer(C’s sister) is really enjoying being the victim
[+31, -0] If it was me and I felt like I was being misrepresented, I would go ahead and post a copy of the livestream LOL
[+24, -0] In the first place, the disclosure itself had way too many unnecessary things said for her to say that she was only wishing for an apology. She could have just described all the damages clearly as possible, but she went as far as she could describing so many things as evil in order to send Seo Soojin’s image into the abyss. At the end of the day, she succeeded in ruining Soojin’s image to the public’s eye. However, because she had so many accusations, she has made the apology much more difficult because we must be able to prove every accusation she made
These are Soojin's fans.
is a tide turn incoming?
Do you see the number of upvotes for those comments? dude, its done.
Death threats are really serious and it’s quite disturbing to see her boasting about that. Now, I am not saying Soojin is innocent, or guilty. We still don’t know. But to see her doing things like this makes it clear she is trying to completely ruin Soojin. Calling out bullying and then saying things like this is pretty hypocritical if you ask me.
Well no shit she is trying to ruin soojin. Whether its true or false.
SHHHH don't be logical. Its black and white, all day, erreday
Like I said, you don't go this far for an apology but to destroy somebody.
That being said, thats only 300 upvotes, the stuff calling for soojin to resign was like a thousand+, its too late.
its too late now.
All the other bullying scandals are done but this one is still going.
You can translate any song into a language and make it work though.
Idk most k pop hits that go Japanese don't sound right
k pop was always influenced by western music predominantly black but it never felt like it was made for the west.
Some of these songs though literally feel like you can change the lyrics to English and it wouldn't sound out of place.
someone else writing and composing a song doesn't mean its a good or bad song
an idol writing and composing a song doesn't mean its a good or bad song
No but it gives me a face to call out.
they debut in the same year and have a ton of international attention.
Keep UT civil, folks
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Display MoreYou reply shows you literally don't know what you are talking.
Its useless to even argue or discuss with you.
In 2014 and 2015 ikon was more known and anticipated than bts , even before ikon debuted, if you don't know why maybe watch win.
Their sales getting questioned is the main proof of how ppl overlooked them and underestimated the. underdog- someone who ppl didn't expect to top and that's exactly what happened with their sales.
OH consists of international fans and bts had more international fans than in korea yet they didn't appear in any idols to be anticipated list, if you don't understand this then I can't help u.
Just check translation sites back and you will know every one and their mother dragged bts for their sales ans no one acknowledged them. That's how underdogs are treated.
Regarding jk and superstar k, the guy auditioned, he didn't get selected. Jamie, baek yerin, bang yedam, winner seungyoon these are the idols who are famous from audition shows not jungkook.
Do you think ppl recognized jk from that 1 min clip of his audition and started following bts?? No that clip became known after jk became famous not the other way. So audition shows did shit for them. They built their popularity step by step.
Jyp is a company not a broadcasting company, how will he help bang pd to get slots on tv? Bts themselves said their debut was because someone cancelled, if bangpd had the so called connections why would they have to wait for some to cancel or do you believe bts is lying.
I understand not everyone knows the history of every group. But if you have no idea then better not to say anything
im actually bewildered by what you just wrote because nothing said disputes what I said.
Ikon debut in 2015 and i need u was released in 2015 which blew them up aka it brought them attention. Do you deny this?
BTS were successful but its questionable for them to have outsold YG And JYP. Both of these things can be true. Do you deny this?
Jungkook auditioned for a popular show which brought him to the attention of 7 entertainment companies. Do you deny this?
Bang Shi Hyuk personally knows Park Jinyoung the founder of jyp and worked for him. Do you deny this
If you answer yes to these 4 questions then we got nothing to talk about, my friend.
Display MoreI mentioned TeamB not ikon. TeamB was a thing before ikon so maybe know facts before saying I don't make sense.
Why did articles questioned bts sales if ppl know them and are anticipating them , you are contradicting yourself.
Go to any OH threads of 2014 , 2015 or other translating sides and check the articles form 201r-15 you will know what I am talking.
They are excluded because they are simply not from big3, didn't have any member from any popular audition shows and the company didn't have proper connections to promote them.
You will understand what I am saying if you were in kpop scene during 2014-15.
1. I mentioned ikon because YOU said no one had BTS pre-2016 on lists doing well even though 2015 was the year of i need u the song that blew them up. You need to read what you text.
2. I said folks questioned their sales in 2015 not because they weren't successful but because that year they outsold both yg and jyp. It was insane because that was the year big bang came back.
When zico topped the charts last year, armys questioned it and none of them would say zico isn't successful. So you need to learn that 2 things can be true at the same time
3.OH is an international site that has no bearing on how successful or relevant. A Korean group is. That ain't my point though.
Who cares if they were overlooked. The group was successful. Maybe not relevant but they were a boy band, they weren't supposed to be.
And even the irrelevancy might not be that large
They got a golden disk award in 2013. The only boy band in that year who got it. They performed on the mama stage in 2014 alongside block b. Got in a big controversy for taking teasers for their photobook at a holocaust memorial in 2015 and armys were infamous for being in youtube comment sections that had nothing to do with the group also in 2015. All of this was before 2016 aka 2 years in their debut.
Refute any of this. Literally any of it and you can discredit my whole point but you can't because I can post links.
4.What do you mean they had no famous connections? Bang Shi hyuk PERSONALLY knows JYP What do you mean they had no members from popular audition show? Jungkook was on superstar k. He was contacted by seven entertainment companies.
Look, compare to where to are now, no shit it looks they were underdogs at the beginning and yes, they had a bigger fandom internationally than nationally. But in an oversaturated industry like k pop was and is, if you are known by name, you ain't an underdog
Underdogs =/= underperformed.
It refers to groups which ppl never paid paid attention and underestimated. There is a huge difference.
Bts were always excluded from the list of idols who are doing well or who will do well in coming years till 2016. Literally any list prior 2016 mentions winner, got7 and even teamB(now ikon) as the groups they see at top in coming years.
If you were doing well, which bts were, how can you be excluded from the list of artists doing well?
Also ikon debut in 2015, bts released i need u that same year which blew them up and there were articles at the time which questioned BTS high sales that year.
None of this makes any sense.
BTS weren't underdogs? they were awarded rookie of the year in 2013 at the Golden disk awards and their debut album sold pretty well for a non big 3 group
They weren't digital monsters but that was the norm for boy band
In fact, alongside B.A.P and Block B, they were the most successful act of. Groups led by main rappers.
