Kakao did.
Those stream numbers are sad. Spotify's launch have gone the way of apple music so far, not unexpected but still.
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BP fans are very dedicated.
Hopefully things stay clean.
Did IU already put out her Album or is she still just putting out pre-songs .
Album release is 25th, with no more pre-release announced so far.
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YG putting her in a dungeon if she doesnt perform well doesnt make any sense, with 400k in pre-orders this have already paid itself many times over before its even released.
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On melon/flo? doubtful.
With the current UL trend of rollin it will soon be over 500k UL on melon.
LSG's peaked at 512k UL and that was with an overall higher UL (100-200k+ in top 10 compared to now) then we have seen the last three months. Meaning it would have to get more UL's than LSG while the UL's are down in general compared to when it was released.
That said if its a superhit / goes viral anything could happen.
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Vibe doesnt have a realtime chart, just daily. So for Realtime All Kill (RAK), Vibe doesnt count.
When it comes time to figure out PAKs, Vibe ranking will count. To get a PAK, you need to be #1 on all the Realtime, Daily and Weekly charts i think, and all at the same time.
RAK = #1 on Melon24Hour, Flo, Bugs Realtime, Genie Realtime.
PAK = #1 on all of the above, plus Melon Daily, Vibe, Genie Daily, and Bugs Daily, plus any weekly charts used by the aforementioned streaming services.
Small correction on PAK, the weekly chart is only needed on instiz own chart, not any of the included charts.
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There will be a small window for it to get a few paks tomorrow IF vibe goes to rollin, but impossible to know as there's no data showing any trends from vibe and its usually the slowest chart. Rose's release tomorrow at 2pm will probably block any ak/pak on genie/bugs to start with.
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Dynamite doesn't just have weeks in top 10 to put it over bwl... as itiswhatitisss mentioned... Its currently getting more digital points in its 28th weeks than BWL did in its 28th week and that's despite the overall decrease in digital points on gaon. Dynamite got 8 weeks over 40M digital points while BWL got 5 over 40M... again despite the overall decrease in digital points on gaon
As i edited in later i do think Dynamite beats bwl either way.
However, i'd argue a bit against the digital points comparisons as well. Yes it has kept a higher index many weeks in, but that is probably also (in part) a result of the lower chart competition and much lover discoverability of new songs as well, people only have time for so many songs in day and time to lookup new music etc, whereas before they just put on the hourly top 100 chart on their daily commute, which changed by the hour, they now put on the top 100 chart that never change or their own playlist that will probably rarely change as well.
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The difference now to 2015-17 tho is that we had stream/download numbers available, and the charts on a fundamental level worked exactly the same from 2010 up to 2019. Everyone had a daily chart, but all services were based on the top 100 hourly charts, that was how 99% of people listened to and discovered music. It might be a dumb system but it really helped to get new songs up there fast at release, the average time spent for #1 hit song was often just 1 week if that, then it was on to the next. Having a song reach 3 weeks at #1 was a huge feat. After the chart changes basically every single #1 song (all 5 of them or so...) clears that with ease now.
After FLO/Vibe and especially melon changed to 24h and removed the top 100 hourly charts, it basically killed all that, and we have the stagnation we have now where the top 10 barely change at all in a month.
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I think the list is fairly accurate as can be.
The problem is comparing 2019 with 2020, to many changed variables. And just like digital points and uls are down a lot, so have the rules changed regarding longevity and chart ranks after 2020 and especially the last chart reform. Yes dynamite is a big hit, but it would never have spent as many weeks in top 1/10 if it was released in 2019 for example, same is true for all those other songs that are breaking record with X amount of weeks spent in top 10, some that have stood for a decade.
I do think dynamite is the biggest of them, but BWL for instance had much more chart competition at the time.
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Yep, i remember HYLT kept getting screwed over with all the digimons releasing every damn day last summer plus all the zombie streaming on Genie/Bugs realtime. It was impossible to get the laggy Melon/Flo/Vibe charts to line up with the volatile Genie/Bugs realtime charts.
Yep.
A song needs to both reach #1 fast on melon/flo/vibe, while at the same time keep momentum on bugs/genie.
On bugs/genie songs are heavily weighed by downloads, especially bugs, which make it hard even for "digimons" to stay consistently at #1 on realtime. Just look at kang daniels fanbase, (which all seem to have moved over from soribada now) he managed to rank #2 on gaon digital with just mass downloading, meanwhile nowhere to be found on streaming chart.
Achieving PAK now is the easiest it ever has been overall, but at the same time probably harder for "normal" artists without big fanbases. BTS, Blackpink etc have fandoms that can help keep songs up at top on genie/bugs, but they will need the GP for melon/flo which is not always guaranteed (depending on song and chart competition). While domestics artists that can reach #1 on melon quite easily normally have a harder time keeping up at genie/bugs against the daniel's and Youngwoong lim's.
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If current UL trend continues they will take #1 on melon in 24 hours or so.
Getting PAK or even AK will be hard tho, for PAK they will need daily melon as well and that lags one day or so behind 24h chart, but the biggest problem is probably getting realtime on genie and bugs to line up at the same time with all the new releases in the next few days.
edit: forgot, they need #1 on vibe as well for PAK.
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IU was called the "nations little sister" 10-12 years back or so, while suzy was "nations sweetheart" or something like that.
As IU will become 29 this year, and is called "noona/unnie" by a huge chunk of her fans the title doesn't really fit anymore.
There have been several before them called that or other variants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation%27s_Little_Sister
Its not any official titles and it seems to mostly have fallen out of use these days. I think it was mostly used by newspapers/tv to play up the importance of people. Ifans have placed more importance on it than probably should have with these nations # titles, like nation bg/gg etc.
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Idk. 2nd gen cf queens are still reigning. Rn from 3rd gen Hwasa, Lisa and Jennie outnumber other female idols in cfs and popularity by A LOT. They each have minimum 7+ cfs rn. The latter 2 are also global ambassadors of luxury brands. After them comes seulgi, jisoo, Rosé, joy and irene.
In sk Hwasa was already given the it girl title back in 2019 and she's still selling out stuff she touches on a national scale. ErimdK4XMAAHWeF (1).jpeg
Cf queen wise Jennie is inheriting brands straight from og cf queens like suzy and hyori. I feel either her or hwasa will inherit the cf queen title from Suzy next. Hwasa and jennie's grip on sk is a bit too strong for any female idol to compete rn.
Maybe depending on how snowdrop/double patty is recieved Jisoo or irene might turn the duo into a trio!
None of them, not even suzy, are even close to IU tho, she currently has fourteen active deals/endorsements.
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They will be back to #2 in the morning it looks like, love story have peaked and is losing ul's.
They still need another 100k ul or so to pass IU.
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Song itself was huge ofc, combined with charts being absolutely dead for the last 9 months after corona and chart changes makes it possible for songs too stay so long at the top, and in dynamites case break the record for most weeks in top 10 in a few weeks, and its being followed by all three or so other hits we had in the last couple of months.
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hahaha so it's spotify fault lol...
Both companies are to blame for this. Two multibillion dollar companies that can't agree on license deal because spotify demands to get license to all countries korea included and kakao refusing because they don't want a competing service to melon which they own..
Literally fighting over pennies for them, meanwhile, the losers are the artists who unwillingly are no longer available on the biggest platform in the world, and for many, a big source of income was just lost without them having any say in it.
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Lol Spotify won’t be affected... but those artist and fans will be. Kpop or korean music don’t bring in that much streams or revenue to make a significant difference, however kakaoM and MELON literally pays pennies for streaming and even STEAL royalty credits.
The fraud part was long before Kakao bought melon in 2016, and done by individuals in the company who bascially stole from melon, in fact it was kakao that discovered and reported it when they started going throu the books after they aquired melon.
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There's no confirmation yet on why it was all removed, either it is:
a) Spotify power move to force kakao to let them in on the domestic market
b) Kakao M pulling all music because of the merger today with kakao page and the plan to go international or license issues that need to be cleared after the merger
c) Kakao thinking they can force somekind of concession from spotify
d) some combination of the above
I can't see kakao actually gaining anything from this in the end, artists and companies they distribute for will not be pleased a big income source was just pulled from under their feet.
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Here's a ongoing list of all the artists that are no longer available:
