IVE are at 4.1M monthly listeners in Spotify.
Aespa are at 4.4M monthly listeners.
ITZY are at 5.5M monthly listeners.
I-dle are at 6.1M monthly listeners.
Red Velvet are at 7.7M.
TWICE are at 9.8M.
Blackpink are at 13.8M.
That really says it all, no further explanation or discussion needed.
Let's talk for real whenever IVE has managed to surpass all other 4th gen groups, never mind even coming for the Top 3 3rd gen ggs.
Display MoreIVE are at 4.1M monthly listeners in Spotify.
Aespa are at 4.4M monthly listeners.
ITZY are at 5.5M monthly listeners.
I-dle are at 6.1M monthly listeners.
Red Velvet are at 7.7M.
TWICE are at 9.8M.
Blackpink are at 13.8M.
That really says it all, no further explanation or discussion needed.
Let's talk for real whenever IVE has managed to surpass all other 4th gen groups, never mind even coming for the Top 3 3rd gen ggs.
Streams matter not mla
Display MoreIVE are at 4.1M monthly listeners in Spotify.
Aespa are at 4.4M monthly listeners.
ITZY are at 5.5M monthly listeners.
I-dle are at 6.1M monthly listeners.
Red Velvet are at 7.7M.
TWICE are at 9.8M.
Blackpink are at 13.8M.
That really says it all, no further explanation or discussion needed.
Let's talk for real whenever IVE has managed to surpass all other 4th gen groups, never mind even coming for the Top 3 3rd gen ggs.
Monthly listeners don't mean as much as you think. Lisa has more listeners than bp currently but no one would say she's bigger on spotify than them. Bp also had more mls than bts at some point but they've never been bigger than bts there.
Just looking at the trajectory of love dive and eleven, you can tell they are doing better than most groups on spotify. Love dive has been consistent in getting over 1.3m streams daily on the global chart. They've actually grown their streams at some point. If you know how kpop groups perform on spotify you'd know they get a high peak on day 2 then start bleeding streams after that. But love dive went from 800k - 1.3m - 1.4m and has consistently stayed in that range.
Ive despite having less mls than all the groups there is still outstreaming most of them by a large difference. They also only have 4 songs in their entire catalogue. Their comeback was also only a few days ago so their numbers are still rising. All these things affect the number of mls. They were at 3m only a few days ago.
You can't just take one aspect of spotify stats and make a judgement from it. That's as bad as only considering youtube likes for youtube popularity while ignoring other factors.
Streams matter not mla
You're only saying that because IVE's MLs are so low compared with other groups.
Monthly listeners show current popularity and interest in a group.
If IVE are really that big internationally, they'll surpass all other groups in ML, just like BP and BTS as the biggest international K-pop groups also have the most MLs by default.
Agreed. Cherrypicking shouldn't be done, in the same way dismissing or ignoring MLs like OP and some others are doing just because it doesn't fit their narrative is at the same level of wrong.
Monthly Listeners says something about current popularity.
No one in their right mind will deny Lisa has huge international popularity, possibly even the most of all BP members. The fact that Lisa's MLs equals BP's is a perfect representation of the current situation, where BP have been in hiatus for 1.5 yr and Lisa has been active had their comeback some months ago.
Even other international popularity trend indicators show Blackpinks' and Lisa's popularity have been comparable.
It's not even that odd or unique that a group member has popularity that equals or even sometimes dwarfs the group's popularity: Suzy, Taeyeon, Hwasa, Kang Daniel, so many examples.
Display MoreYeah no it didn't. It has initially done better than Loco, but Loco, Not Shy, Mafia all smashed Queendom long term and held streams better than Feel My Rhythm currently is. Based on their current stream drop rate FMR will fall below these songs long term also.
Loco reached 20m streams in Spotify in a little over 18 days. As of writing this FMR is 20 days old and sitting at 19.7m streams. It's also dropping a higher percentage of streams per day compared to Loco so it's downward trajectory is actually declining at a more rapid pace.
Feel My Rhythm spent just 18 days on Spotify global 200. Wadada by comparison lasted, to memory, 24 days. Wadada also currently has 65m streams in 98 days, while Queendom managed only 62m in 228 days. So Wadada showed better chart longevity than FMR and pulled more than double daily streams compared to Queendom in a comparable time frame. Combine that with say Apple music where Kep1er charted for nearly 80 days and FMR just a tiny 3 days.
Eleven significantly out performed RV too with over 55 days on Spotify global 200 and over 70 also on Apple Music.
Eleven also nearly has 100m streams currently on Spotify even tho it's far younger than Queendom and show way way better longevity than FMR. Factually speaking, at it's current pace, FMR will not out stream Eleven or Love Dive, which btw has in it's initial days outperformed Feel My Rhythm without question.
Red Velvet may have at on time performed well on Spotify, back with Psycho, but currently numbers and facts show they are no longer competitive with Itzy, Ive and even Kep1er. Feel My Rhythm may have had good initial streams, but again during that time RV had nearly 50m playlisting reach and were on huge playlists such as Women of Pop, New Music Friday US and Teen Beats. When that playlisting ran out the song started to bleed stream and continues to. Much like Queendom it's very unlikely(actually unless it starts gaing more daily streams right now, impossible) FMR will reach 100m stream quicker than Eleven, Wadada, Loco, Mafia or Love Dive.
It is definitely interesting how well you are keeping track of red velvet’s so called ”playlisting” as you are such an expert on it, please share how much playlisting ive, itzy and kepler are using with links. I’m sure they are no stranger to this. Overall, fmr is doing great on spotify no matter how much you are trying to downplay it. You can quote me when itzy, kepler or ive are at 7,6 m monthly listeners.
You're only saying that because IVE's MLs are so low compared with other groups.
Monthly listeners show current popularity and interest in a group.
If IVE are really that big internationally, they'll surpass all other groups in ML, just like BP and BTS as the biggest international K-pop groups also have the most MLs by default.
Ive debuted some months ago and is already at 4M. Love dive will do better than feel my rhythm on global spotify
I don’t think anyone here is shading ive.. they’re doing great for rookies but not better than the top 3rd gen ggs
It is definitely interesting how well you are keeping track of red velvet’s so called ”playlisting” as you are such an expert on it, please share how much playlisting ive, itzy and kepler are using with links. I’m sure they are no stranger to this. Overall, fmr is doing great on spotify no matter how much you are trying to downplay it. You can quote me when itzy, kepler or ive are at 7,6 m monthly listeners.
Currently IVE have 18.9m playlisting reach.
Itzy have 16.3m but no song out so this will rise up. It pushed over 18m during Loco if memory serves.
Kep1er have 9.4m and again this is lower since they have no new songs.
For real. This information is online. Don't be a lazy person. Go make an account on Chartmetric and look it up for yourself. Its reliable, professional tool.
I don’t think anyone here is shading ive.. they’re doing great for rookies but not better than the top 3rd gen ggs
If they were 'superior in every metric on Spotify', they would have superior numbers in Monthly Listeners and Followers, 2 other very important metrics in Spotify. They don't, so they're not superior in every metric. Simple as that.
It's funny that the exact same people nonstop hammering on streams and whining about the fact that others keep mentioning only Monthly Listeners, are doing exactly the same by ignoring all Spotify metrics except streams.
It's also obvious that some that do are doing it not out of support or love for IVE, but to throw shade at a number of other girl groups, and that they're the exact same people who've been obsessed with throwing shade at all these other girl groups in uncountable threads before.
Of course they are doing great. Which was to be expected, they have built-in fanbase and interest with 2 ex-IZ*One members Wonyoung and Yujin who were among the most popular IZ*One members, so it's not as if they're some new, completely unknown group that debuted with a full nugu cast.
But still, IVE are doing excessively good for a newly debuted group.
But they aren't there yet. Other groups are still doing better in lots of the things that count.
It also doesn't help that trolls and certain stans of other groups are constantly using IVE as fanwar bait to throw shade at all those other girl groups.
Display MoreIf they were 'superior in every metric on Spotify', they would have superior numbers in Monthly Listeners and Followers, 2 other very important metrics in Spotify. They don't, so they're not superior in every metric. Simple as that.
It's funny that the exact same people nonstop hammering on streams and whining about the fact that others keep mentioning only Monthly Listeners, are doing exactly the same by ignoring all Spotify metrics except streams.
It's also obvious that some that do are doing it not out of support or love for IVE, but to throw shade at a number of other girl groups, and that they're the exact same people who've been obsessed with throwing shade at all these other girl groups in uncountable threads before.
Of course they are doing great. Which was to be expected, they have built-in fanbase and interest with 2 ex-IZ*One members Wonyoung and Yujin who were among the most popular IZ*One members, so it's not as if they're some new, completely unknown group that debuted with a full nugu cast.
But still, IVE are doing excessively good for a newly debuted group.
But they aren't there yet. Other groups are still doing better in lots of the things that count.
It also doesn't help that trolls and certain stans of other groups are constantly using IVE as fanwar bait to throw shade at all those other girl groups.
they outdid all other 4th gen ggs in every metric.
Internationally > aespa and g idle
Nationally > itzy
1st week sales > itzy, g idle and already on top10 with aespa with just a 2 song album
I guess only youtube left, which is the most irrelevant out of the metrics (Everglow and Nmixx say hi)
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