Chounim's controversial opinion #1

there is no difference between lipsynching and performances with very loud backtrack.

I think people who use performances with very loud backtrack to prove that their faves sing live are looking at this on a very shallow level, they just don't want to have the lipsynch label linked to their faves but they are forgetting that you are supposed to HEAR the LIVE vocals in live performances. It's a straw man argument and a cope. who cares if an idol's mic is on when all we can hear is the pre-recorded backtrack and not whatever feed the open mic is sending?

I remember a while ago there was a thread about lipsynching and someone posted a performance to show off their faves' live singing and when people pointed out that you can't hear the supposed live singing under all the backtrack, the person insisted that it doesn't matter whether you hear it or not and that all that matters is the knowledge that their mics were on. Excuse my language, but what the fuck? that's bullshit, mumbling inaudibly behind a loud backtrack is anything but live singing. in my book it is as bad as lipsynching, in both cases the final product that we are listening to is a studio recording.

live performances for me are when you can hear the live vocals clearly beyond any shadow of doubt, like this

or this

ps: there is a part in Mirotic where Junsu says "can't you go down on me"

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What's with this controversial opinion plagarism

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I actually don't mind not singing live on a performance stage where they're also dancing, as long as the voice in the backtrack is their natural voices not robotic or autotuned voices. I just hate hearing autotuned voices. Even if the singer's voice is not that good, I still want to hear it naturally.

just to clarify, this is not about the merits of live singing vs lipsynching. It's just that some fans have this haughty superior attitude toward lipsynching, acting like their faves are so above it when all their faves do is mumble behind a loud backtrack which, like i said, isn't different from "honest" lipsynching for me.

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it then begs the question of which group tends to use loud backtracks but that would be opening pandoras box huh?

i don't think it is a question of which group does or doesn't do it. the same group might lipsynch one day, sing genuinely live live another one and then a use a very loud backtrack a third one. It all depends on the occasion, the show's policy, the available equipments, the choreography, the physical state of the members, heck even the vocal skill level of the members or any other number of reasons.

for example, look at this

the first time i watched this i thought they were lipsynching to prerecorded vocals but then Haechan had a voice crack @ 3:54 so i realised that their mics were actually on but the backtrack was too loud to the point that's all i could hear

meanwhile this is the same group and you can hear their live vocals very clearly

so it is really not a black or white matter. now, if there is a group that do it all the time or more often than others then i can't speak on that because i genuinely don't know.

my point is that this is something that people should recognise and acknowledge. they should ask themselves, should i really brag about my faves' live singing in a performance where i can't even hear the live singing? just because i can vaguely tell that their mics were on behind all the backtrack? is it really worth it?

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Yup. This is a controversial opinion.

I personally think this is in the same line as

- real rapper VS idol rapper

- my faves have the best musical quality so I don’t care about sale/charting/streams etc

- my faves have the best charting for 4.5 gen GG that has a Japanese idol that is 165cm tall

Etc

I’m glad I’m on first page

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do you mean bragging about empty made up labels and achievements? because that's what i think this is too

"my faves don't lipsynch but they mumble inaudibly under a deafening backtrack"

i just noticed that in the Bonamana and Regular performances i posted here you can even hear the sound of their hands clapping and the frotting of their clothes and jingling of their accessories. It's unfiltered live mic feed and it is oddly satisfying to hear lol.

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I disagree.

If you can't hear their voices at all then how can you even tell it's a loud backtrack and not lipsynch? You can't, so it means that even if the backtrack is very loud loud you still hear their voices a bit to be able to tell. Yes, the difference with ls is not that big and it's not comparable at all to 100% live performances but the difference is still here.

And there is nothing like" honest" lispsynching, what does that even mean?

i don't think "hearing their voices a bit" matters at all in a 3-4 minutes song, it doesn't tell or show us anything at all. if you can't hear them clearly singing and/or rapping beyond any shadow of doubt then it doesn't matter at all imo.

i understand singing live but foregoing certain parts that are vocally taxing, but not the other way around, as in not singing audibly except for sparse words here and there. that's not singing.

and what i meant with "honest" lipsynching is straight up lipsynching, moving your lips to a recording, that's all, don't read too much into it