So ITZY is really doing the ethnic Italian-American mafia concept

The setting actually looks like 1960s Brooklyn street from where the Italian-American mafia conducted their business and the cop dancers obviously related it to criminal activity, which is what mafia did. So it doesn't seem to relate at all to the "fun" mafia game they play in Korean varieties. I know some Italian-Americans were upset about the use of their culture as aesthetics for kpop. And the featuring of cops on the MV might not go well with the woke crowd.

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What are you trying to say though? It literally is based on the game, just because the setting is in a city doesn't mean they're taking from Italian-American culture. Mafias existed everywhere, and are not unique to Italians.

Mafia is literally an Italian word. The American-Italian mafia were based in American cities, which is what the setting obviously represents. The cops on the MV are also dressed similar to the Italian Carabinieri cops.

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It's based after the card/thread game Mafia. Can Cop please check on OP, they sus.

When people play the "mafic game", they dont dress up as cops or put Brooklyn street inspired props. Obviously the allusion of the concept is also representing the actual mafia.

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Mafias were gangs and gangs exist everywhere. How is it so obvious that thats what the setting represents? Why are you trying so hard to prove something that just isn't there? :confused:

No. The classic Italian mafia originated from Sicily and it was part of organized crime whose members were mostly of Italian background. Organized crime existed since the beginning of time but the term "mafia" primarily referred to this sub-group.

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Why are you and other kpop fans so hell bent on protecting and caring about criminal's feelings on how they are represented? The mafia made a lot of italian-americans lives hell too and like everyone has said MAFIA AREN'T EXCLUSIVE TO ITALIANS!

I think what some Italian-Americans are upset about is the use of criminal mafia aesthetic, which could spread harmful stereotypes about Italian-American culture. They don't care about the actual mafia people, who were just criminals. But the aesthetic emphasizing with all the "Brooklyn wise guy" stage and props.

If they called it Mafia but had totally different aesthetics then it wouldn't be an issue.

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Mafia is upset about the use or their aesthetic? I didn't understand

Like I said, some Italian-Americans are upset about the use of stereotypical Italian-American mafia themes in their concepts. The same way they are upset about the portrayals of mafia in TV shows and movies. It would be like if Itzy called their title "Gangsta" and for the backdrop it had a stereotypical Bronx street. Obviously wouldn't it upset people due to the stereotypes being used?

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Blame Coppola and Scorsese then. These people's rant comes at least 50 years too late, a hundred if you go way back to the first gangster films of the 30's. Trying to put the genie back into the bottle will only make them look silly.

There's a lot of movies, cartoons, comics, and stories that are now being banned because they contained racial or ethnic stereotypes. Times were different then. Now society progressed where they recognized that stereotypical portrayals are harmful, specifically those that focus too much on criminal sub-cultures rather than other positive aspects of an ethnic group.

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When has people doing mafia concepts ever negatively impacted Italians? Trying to hard to be oppressed Lmao

They just don't like it being emphasized and used too much for aesthetics. On popular culture, what else is Italian or Italian-American culture more recognized for in the media? Obviously its the whole mafia sub-culture that gets the most portrayal of Italians, there's been a ton of shows and movies about it. But they want to be known for something else besides that in the media.

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I have yet to see a single Italian person upset over this, even the ones who hate K-Pop in my family, I showed the teaser in group chat and they are not concerned

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At least show me a tweet with more likes than that. No one in their right mind looks at an Italian American (which you probably couldn't tell just by looking at) and thinks they are apart of the Mafia, there are no harmful stereotypes to be spread. Are you American? Mafia movies and tv shows are quite popular here and not a single soul has a problem with it.

Please watch an actual mob boss on buzzfeed. He reacts to movie and tv shows and actually likes some of them.

I'm sure older people don't care about "stereotypical portrayals" but a lot of young kids who have grown up in progressive society have a problem with it. I was searching what Italians say about Itzy's Mafia and I'm surprised there's more than expected number of people who don't like the use of this concept. They aren't blaming ITZY, but JYPE for giving them this concept.

https://twitter.com/search?q=i…lang%3Ait&src=typed_query