Kep1er was rumored to removed their music from Israeli streaming services

I would love that but considering companies only care about money, it most likely won't happen.

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I think more people should do it, music is a way to convey peace and love so it's contradictory to stand quiet looking at this genocide

Even if they care about money i don't understand why they would do it

Considering that they probably make close to no money in israel considering how nich kpop is there, and how kpop group never go perform there

They have more to gain actually, cuz it would help them to put bigger economy in their pocket, country like Saudi arabia who's an ally to palestine

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That is probably true but they're most likely scared of getting called Antisemitic or Hamas Supporters or whatever they love to call anyone who is against them. But I agree with you completely. More companies need to start boycotting them.

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They have more to gain actually, cuz it would help them to put bigger economy in their pocket, country like Saudi arabia who's an ally to palestine

Lets be honest though, if we are talking about boycotting countries or not wanting money from countries with human rights abuses, Saudi Arabia should be high on that list as well. Look at the backlash against those comedians.

Anyway, Kep1er is no longer listed on that site. They were only there because of the actions of either a misguided fan or a stupid anti.

usa been funding israel since forever. i'm all for kpop groups not releasing garbage english songs to cater to americans anymore

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Even if they care about money i don't understand why they would do it

Considering that they probably make close to no money in israel considering how nich kpop is there, and how kpop group never go perform there

They have more to gain actually, cuz it would help them to put bigger economy in their pocket, country like Saudi arabia who's an ally to palestine

Most of the companies that endorse idols have some sort of ties to israel

The logic isn't logicing imo. Like now Saudi is good bc it's on Palestine side?

The reason is admirable if people weren't hypocrites and did it with every country that doesn't respect human rights, but we are already talking about an industry that doesn't respect human rights so I don't think they care about it neither do I see they doing it out of genuine feelings.

This might be a bit of hot take, but I think boycotting companies that fund Israel won't make as much of an impact as actively supporting Palestine (through donations, etc).

It's because a lot of these companies are so embedded into daily lives that even if an entire state were to boycott it, it would still survive and it would still gain quite a lot of money. Coca Cola for example. In 2024, its revenue increased about 2.8% in comparison to 2023. That mere 2.8% is still millions of dollars that they gained despite all the boycotting.

That being said, I'm not saying to completely cease all thought of boycotting, but I think boycotting shouldn't be the only thing people are doing because these companies give zero fucks.

I'm quite sceptical of a lot of the BDS boycott thing as well, both withing kpop circles and as a greater whole.

Within kpop circles, it honestly feels like it's just another weapon that dumb fans use to attack groups/idols they don't like. The typical kpop stan thing of weaponising a serious issue just to score points.

As a greater whole, I also feel like people jump on the "Boycott this company" (and get outraged at others for not doing so) without really doing their own due diligence or research to see if the reasons for boycotting that company are even valid. They see an infographic on Twitter and immediately jump on the bandwagon. Even if you ask them "why should we boycott this company" the answers are often shallow, outrageous or wrong. Many can only reply "They are funding genocide". If you ask them for specifics on how the company is "funding genocide" or "giving money to the Israeli army", most of them don't actually know. Again, they got the companies name from a twitter post or image and that was enough.

Let alone the whole complicated thing about how different companies are owned or operated by different entities in different countries/regions, and Company X in one country may not necessarily be the exact same thing as the same named company elsewhere.

I really appreciate how groups and artists like Kep1er show awareness and sensitivity, and I truly believe that even the smallest actions can make a difference.

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It's because a lot of these companies are so embedded into daily lives that even if an entire state were to boycott it, it would still survive and it would still gain quite a lot of money. Coca Cola for example. In 2024, its revenue increased about 2.8% in comparison to 2023. That mere 2.8% is still millions of dollars that they gained despite all the boycotting.

It's even funnier when many say they are boycotting, for instance, Coca Cola and think that means just not drinking ONLY Coca Cola, not realising just how many beverages word wide fall under the Coca Cola company.

I'm moving it to the other section no one access

hmmm, this is a complicated topic.

Unsure if it's true but I remember reading starbucks Korea is separate entity from Starbucks USA. So, people attacking idols for drinking Starbucks in Korea were misinformed and started an unnecessary hate campaign. A person is not a zionist if they drink a cup of starbucks. Also, I think it's messed up when people weaponizes serious causes like a genocide to attack idols. The same people that were attacking idols for drinking starbucks don't have the same energy when idols they like promote products and companies that are on the bds list.

I do respect entertainers that speak out or take action in a cause they believe in. However, we have to remember the lifespan for an entertainer is short, and they're most likely going to maximize their return Entertainers will continue to take deals from companies that are on the list or have unethical practices. I'm unsure if I can fault an entertainer, but it would be nice to see them outpsoken about causes because their voice has volume.

i agree with your point that boycotts can impact a company's bottom line. For example, I remember reading Target is currently hurting because they decided to scale back DEI initiative and that resulted them in losing business from a key demographic. Target stupidly cut DEI and forgot that a key demographic for Target was black people. Also, I think they pulled LGBT friendly clothing and products, so they had another community that stopped supporting them. With multiple groups boycotting the company they were severely impacted and this is an example of a boycott working.

Another point I want to make is Trump said he wanted to annex Canada, which caused Canadians to consume less american product and only travel for necessity. Right now many American states are hurting because tourism declined with Trump in charge and it resulted in less vacations and Canadians buying less American products

I think the trickiest part about the genocide and other global conflicts, it doesn't impact a person's life. It might sound cold, but it will be hard to convince people outside of the region to actually boycott and take action. People have many things to worry about in life. and it's tough for a person to change their life for something that's not directly impacting them. It's why certain boycotts aren't as effective, but I do feel the conflict is opening people's eyes to what's actually happening in Palestine.

At the end of the day, we should not expect entertainers to hold the same values that align with our own.I fully agree if a person no longer wants to support an entertainer if they do something racist, homophobic, or support a cause that doesn't align with your belief. I believe individuals will have a different tolerance level in what they can endure if an action affects their values. I'm just unsure what level accountability we want kpop idols to have?

I feel a lot of the time they can't really speak out or take action because of expectations for an idol. So I highly doubt they can say "no"for taking on a brand deal their company has for them. Also, a recent XLOV incident popped up on my timeline where a member got in trouble from their manager for showing support to the LGBT community. Like I have no clue what their company is thinking, but it felt the group was an inclusive group that had a lot of support, and the company may have doomed them. I'm unsure even if a group that has shown support is allowed to speak out, so I'm unsure if we should expect idols to speak out on certain causes because most likely not allowed to

i was slightly disappointed when i saw they were boycotting israel , because if its between islam vs anything at all, i would side with the non islam side.

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Just because taking action is difficult doesnt mean it shouldnt happen.

Im not buying an iphone nor upgrading anytime soon and atp it has become an inconvenience due to battery life issues, run time etc (esp bc i live in NYC and i need to be able to use my phone at a whim every like 9 seconds: tapping for subway, food, drink, bar, mapping somewhere out, etc. on top of like keeping myself entertained in the public/drowning out the constant noise)

Like its inconveniencing me, but i’m also not going to just fund something/someone to gain those 3 seconds an interaction back when the money is clearly going somewhere that i disagree with.

I’m not on the board at Apple, or Starbucks or whatever the fuck luxury company, but i am a powerful consumer. I make damn near 6 figures and i spend my money as I please in the “free market” and even though i voted AGAINST this genocide in MY country, i’m STILL funding it in my taxes, so the 60% i do get of my paycheck sure as FUCK will not also fund that.

And i hope to GOD that companies end up losing profits.

The way i know this is working? Starbucks HAD TO close like 3 locations in my neighborhood because they couldnt afford to staff them/rent. That means that Starbucks is losing profits and are feeling the heat, but thats only now. Imagine when idk half the company is closed? Yes thats tough for the people working there, but i bet theyll think twice about where they apply, and i also bet that other companies will think twice about fucking with the american consumers already very shallow moral compass.

Thats the entire point of a capitalist based society… not for people to be extremely rich, but for goods to align with the needs of the public consumer, and if those goods can be found elsewhere for #1 no moral cost and at that point #2 a much lower actual cost, then consumers will find that good elsewhere.

There have been 3 locally owned coffee shops opened in this same neighborhood that Starbucks left a vacancy in, 2 have put out a sign supporting palestine in some way, and the most popular coffee shop in my area that was pre-existing? They already donate like 5% to palestinian aid funds.

The vast majority of people are being lead to fund something they themselves are against, and in todays world the two most meaningful ways you can make a difference are #1 voting obviously, and #2 putting your money where your mouth is because the initial inconvenience of doing moral good is what evil people bank on.

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See, I agree in theory but the heavy highlight on Starbucks is kinda the perfect example of why it's hard to take the boycotting seriously. Most of the attention, effort and impact went to companies like Starbucks that has zero ties to the Israeli government or military as a symbolic gesture.

I appreciate them for doing so.

we do what we can do, without forcing ourselves. its not hard.

And for kpop idols, i dont think they have much say in it. If they still promote some big sponsors of israel, i won't say anything about it as long as they don't blatantly say that they support them like siwon

Another day, another example of Kpop fans being ignorant, performative & using current events for petty fan wars. Yay!

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The logic isn't logicing imo. Like now Saudi is good bc it's on Palestine side?

"The enemy of my enemy who is also a friend of my enemy's other friend is my friend." I must say, that's a new one.

Even if Saudi Arabia actually had a clear human rights record, simply being on the Palestinian side wouldn't automatically make them "good." But no one really even cares who is good or bad, right or wrong, they just need something to cheer for like it's a simple sports game. Geopolitics for toddlers.

All big entertainment companies have ties with Israel. Nobody is boycotting anybody for the fear of getting boycotted themselves. Heck American govt might stop handing out visas for Kpop artists if they hear of any boycotts.

I know people want artists to boycott but it's not going to happen. My group's fandom did a boycott for an English release because it had an Israeli producer. That's honestly the best one can do.

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I’m definitely not accusing you of anything but did you just like… say what im reading and comprehending to be “i side against islam”??????

I am against Islam in general. But I'm not sure what you're asking

While a kpop star may occasionally bring up the issue I highly doubt any group or more importantly any kpop company will bother enough to enter into this space and very vocally establish their stance like this.

Korea is fully removed from this conflict (they neither have a sizable Muslim population nor a Jewish one nor are geographically close to the events). Plus they are also a very close ally of the US if anything they’re probably all pro isreal because of their loyalty to the US.

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Another day, another example of Kpop fans being ignorant, performative & using current events for petty fan wars. Yay!

"The enemy of my enemy who is also a friend of my enemy's other friend is my friend." I must say, that's a new one.

Even if Saudi Arabia actually had a clear human rights record, simply being on the Palestinian side wouldn't automatically make them "good." But no one really even cares who is good or bad, right or wrong, they just need something to cheer for like it's a simple sports game. Geopolitics for toddlers.

Yep... Suddenly just one country in the whole world is bad.... Sure...

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its not these companies who are funding israel, its america funding israel

if america stops funding israel, the war will stop

And one of the goals of BDS is to lay the groundwork for that to happen. It's right there in the name of the movement: Boycotts encourage companies to divest, divestment lowers the economic barrier to sanctions. These things are sequential.

It's also not just about funding: Israel could have all the money in the world, but without the ability to trade, it would literally not function as a nation. For a conflict-focused example of this, consider Microsoft. In August, The Guardian revealed that Microsoft's Azure service was being used by Israel to conduct mass surveillance of Palestinians. Microsoft was then immediately classified as a priority target for the BDS movement. In late September, Microsoft terminated Israel's access to its technology for these purposes despite its lucrative potential. This is a material blow to Israel's war machine.

The second-order effect of boycotting companies is cultural. Ultimately, the goal is not to sanction Israel and turn it into a hellish country like North Korea. The goal is to generate internal pressure so as to change the political direction of travel. The movement is modelled on the one which helped bring an end to apartheid South Africa. This article highlights the popularity and effectiveness of that campaign. Ordinary Israelis do not wish to be vilified and treated as second-rate world citizens.

And, you know, Israel does get funding from the private sector and other non-American government sources. A lot of it. Its tech sector in particular is driven by a lot of FDI. Tellingly, near the beginning of 2024, Norway's sovereign wealth fund divested entirely from Israel. Here in the UK, several pension schemes have divested from Israel following calls from the people paying in.

Hoping America spontaneously decides to stop being a brutal, oppressive force on the world stage is not realistic. Pressure must be applied to all parties, and ordinary citizens only really have one tool at their disposal, since, at least in the west, "don't do a genocide" is not a realistic option that they present to us at the ballot box.

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i was slightly disappointed when i saw they were boycotting israel , because if its between islam vs anything at all, i would side with the non islam side.

So you would rather support the unaliving of babies and children, innocent men and women just because of your hatred towards the Islam? Must be easy living a life without any morals huh.

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its not these companies who are funding israel, its america funding israel

if america stops funding israel, the war will stop

There was a simple solution

The noble prize committee should have given Trump the noble peace prize and in return negotiated the end the war & genocide

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That can't happen because America is occupied too. They OWN America. Netanyahu said that out loud.

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So you would rather support the unaliving of babies and children, innocent men and women just because of your hatred towards the Islam? Must be easy living a life without any morals huh.

its because i have morals that i am against islam

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its not these companies who are funding israel, its america funding israel

if america stops funding israel, the war will stop

There was a simple solution

The noble prize committee should have given Trump the noble peace prize and in return negotiated the end the war & genocide

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That can't happen because America is occupied too. They OWN America. Netanyahu said that out loud.

They who? Netanhayu says a lot of things, but I don't recall him saying he "owns" us.

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its because i have morals that i am against islam

Interesting morals. Let's unpack them:

"because if its between islam vs anything at all, i would side with the non islam side."

So, you support the Serbs when they killed upwards of 25,000 civilians. In particular, you are in favour of the Srebrenica massacre. During this massacre, Bosnian men and women were separated. Thousands of women and girls were raped. More than 8,000 men and boys were murdered, and their bodies were pushed into mass graves by bulldozers. The event was adjudged a genocide by the ICJ.

You support the ongoing persecution of the Rohingya in Myanmar. This has resulted in the deaths of at least 25,000 civilians, and the rape of 18,000 women and girls. This situation has been labelled a genocide by every credible international organisation and is currently being tried in the ICJ.

You support Yugoslavia in the ethnic cleansing of the Kosovan Albanians, which involved the rape and sexual abuse of more than 20,000 Kosovan women along with mass executions that included the executions of minors.

You support the centuries-long genocide of the Chechen people, culminating Vladimir Putin's bloody campaign in 1999 which involved the indiscriminate bombing of civilian infrastructure and the extrajudicial killing of civilians.

You support China's persecution of Uyghurs, which includes forced re-education and the separation of children from their parents.

And, of course, you support the Deir Yassin massacre, and all of the massacres against Palestinians that occurred during and following the Nakba. You support the illegal annexation and settlement of Palestinian land. You not only support a doctor being raped to death, you also support the various Israeli civilians who protest against soldiers being held accountable for rape. Pro-rape protests, if you will. You support the use of starvation as a weapon of war - illegal under international war and a primary reason why the ICC has an arrest warrant out for Netanyahu and others. Not only do you think it's good that 60,000 people have been killed, you think it's fantastic that more than 18,000 children have been murdered directly by Israel (some seemingly targeted by sniper shots to the head), while 151 have starved to death due to Israel's blockade. Needless to say, Israel's actions are also being tried in the ICJ.

Interesting moral compass. I'd get it checked if I was you.

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I am against Islam in general. But I'm not sure what you're asking

And I thought your takes couldn't get any more stupid

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if america stops funding israel, the war will stop

It's unfortunately not that simple.

Even if it were, the funding will not stop especially with that radioactive cheeto in office.

Seems to be fake.

Just some "fan" that created the rumor.

Even some of the biggest Kep1er fan accounts ran with the fake news.

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Interesting morals. Let's unpack them:

"because if its between islam vs anything at all, i would side with the non islam side."

So, you support the Serbs when they killed upwards of 25,000 civilians. In particular, you are in favour of the Srebrenica massacre. During this massacre, Bosnian men and women were separated. Thousands of women and girls were raped. More than 8,000 men and boys were murdered, and their bodies were pushed into mass graves by bulldozers. The event was adjudged a genocide by the ICJ.

You support the ongoing persecution of the Rohingya in Myanmar. This has resulted in the deaths of at least 25,000 civilians, and the rape of 18,000 women and girls. This situation has been labelled a genocide by every credible international organisation and is currently being tried in the ICJ.

You support Yugoslavia in the ethnic cleansing of the Kosovan Albanians, which involved the rape and sexual abuse of more than 20,000 Kosovan women along with mass executions that included the executions of minors.

You support the centuries-long genocide of the Chechen people, culminating Vladimir Putin's bloody campaign in 1999 which involved the indiscriminate bombing of civilian infrastructure and the extrajudicial killing of civilians.

You support China's persecution of Uyghurs, which includes forced re-education and the separation of children from their parents.

And, of course, you support the Deir Yassin massacre, and all of the massacres against Palestinians that occurred during and following the Nakba. You support the illegal annexation and settlement of Palestinian land. You not only support a doctor being raped to death, you also support the various Israeli civilians who protest against soldiers being held accountable for rape. Pro-rape protests, if you will. You support the use of starvation as a weapon of war - illegal under international war and a primary reason why the ICC has an arrest warrant out for Netanyahu and others. Not only do you think it's good that 60,000 people have been killed, you think it's fantastic that more than 18,000 children have been murdered directly by Israel (some seemingly targeted by sniper shots to the head), while 151 have starved to death due to Israel's blockade. Needless to say, Israel's actions are also being tried in the ICJ.

Interesting moral compass. I'd get it checked if I was you.

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oh let's count how many people islam has murdered and raped then .

in your post im counting 156 thousand killed.

well i found a website that listed all the islamists terrorist attacks between 1974 and now and they count 250000 thousand people. and that is just in the past 50 years. let's not count all the murders islam has commited before . Let's not forget their prophet started maybe 50 wars in his lifetime. Im sure he has killed many.

now when we discuss rape, it seems to me like its quite systematic in islam considered a lot of them are perfectly happy marrying of their 12 year olds to old men. Their prophet had 11 wives and married a 6 year old . Considering there are 1 billion woman who follow islam in this world, and let's say maybe half of them haven't been raped thats 500 million women raped.

so i guess since you all support islam, apparently, you support all this, congratulations.

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They who? Netanhayu says a lot of things, but I don't recall him saying he "owns" us.

He did tho. He already said that in the 80's that they own the congress, the senate. He said it recently too, that they control the american politicians. But I can't find that interview. But he doesn't need to say it, it's crystal clear.