LE SSERAFIM didn't improve. They've always been great performers.

The thing about Coachella they sang without or with very VERY minimal backtrack, a lot of groups will sound like them without backtrack.

Their Coachella performance was overhated.

What they lacked in vocals they compensate with great energy, dancing and stage presence.

I would rather watch them give their all singing live with imperfect vocals with a backtrack than watch a group lipsync

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But people never discussed LSRF skills as performers

People have always acknowledge LSRF as great performers on stage

It's their singing skills that were scrutinize for being lacking

And i think the problem with LSRF is that even if my bias is Sakura cuz she's such a sweet human

I personally think that a singing career isn't made for her and her improvements after so many years are still very minimalistic to even see a huge improvement in her singing skills

And for eunchae and kazuha their improvements are more obvious but they are way too inconsistant in their singing skills

Is it because their fundation in singing are still weak ? Or is it a problem of confidence? We don't know

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The point is that NO ONE would have done any better than LSRFM at Coachella. Not Aespa, not NJ, not Blackpink.

50 minutes with zero autotune, zero lipsync, almost no backtrack. Doing LSRFM choreo.

Some groups wouldn't have even made it past two or three songs under these conditions. They physically wouldnt be able to do it.

Kpop fans have been so duped and hoodwinked by all the sneaky tricks that Inkigayo producers play to fake their faves vocals that they cant distinguish real raw vocals with prerecorded lipsynced, backtrack doubled, or fully autotuned fake vocals.

This is the greatest vocalist of 3rd generation raw and uncorrected. This is what a professional Kpop main vocalist sounds like truly live, without any fake nonsense employed by music producers to fool fans. I APPLAUD her for doing this tbh, brave af, but it shows WITHOUT QUESTION what happens when autotune, prerecording, and backtracks are stripped out.

She is completely out of tune for almost the whole song.

This is why i have ranted 10000x about how vocals dont matter in Kpop and they NEVER WILL. If effing Wendy of RV sounds like this raw and unautotuned, what in Sam Hill do you think your faves truly sound like?

Their performing ability was never in question, it was their singing. But honestly they sang fine. If you listen to western performances most people give imperfect vocal performances. They aren't expected to have zero cracks or non-wobbly voices.

Also most people are very deluded about how much their groups use backtrack to push their performances. Like people are straight up can't tell they're listening to a pre-recorded performance. That sets the standard to having zero imperfections which is ridiculous.

It was overhated because people were jealous of LSF having positive momentum. They did what most acts don't do which is have the mic on and they didn't sound that bad when the mic was on. I think people nitpicked and found certain moments where it didn't sound the best and used that as ammo. I watched other livestreams of Coachella and there were many acts that had loud backtrack and sounded worse.

It's interesting that kpop acts that have went on that stage and sounded worse or had loud backtrack didn't get anywhere close to the hate. LSF danced well, had high energy, and had the mics on. The hate never made sense, and the same energy won't be shown to other acts. Not that I want that same energy onto other acts because nobody deserves a hate train.

I disagree. Strongly.

LE SSERAFIM have always been good performers AND they have also improved.

I've watched every comeback stage since their debut era.

All the members have noticeably improved, especially the maknae line, Kazuha and Eunchae.

After their turbulent 2024, they upped their game in 2025, for live performances specifically, something they were already strong at but received a disproportionate amount of agenda driven hate for after Coachella, and the results of their hard work is evident.

Won't we ever move on from that

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the reactions to lsrf coachella performance in korea especially were very bad not because of coachella, coachella was mostly the culminating point

the reactions were so bad cuz since their debut LSRF have been criticize for their singing skills

and just 1-2 month prior to coachella they were facing a massive blacklash after their easy encore stage

and didn't even recover from this backlash before coachella happen that's why this accumulation of bad performance hurt them in the chart when they performed at coachella

and it's also one of the reason why a lot of fearnots were mad at HYBE at this time, cuz a lot of them felt that HYBE try to set them up to failure and even bigger backlash than they were facing

Critics that were 100% valid coming from Fearnots

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They were called National Embarrassments because of Coachella, which is absolutely over the top and excessively cruel.

I wonder if you feel all the criticisms aespa continue to receive for their lackluster GMA performance are also valid?

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They were called National Embarrassments because of Coachella, which is absolutely over the top and excessively cruel.

I wonder if you feel all the criticisms aespa continue to receive for their lackluster GMA performance are also valid?

Criticisms of everyone else is valid

Criticisms of aespa is haters always hating on successful idols

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the reactions to lsrf coachella performance in korea especially were very bad not because of coachella, coachella was mostly the culminating point

the reactions were so bad cuz since their debut LSRF have been criticize for their singing skills

and just 1-2 month prior to coachella they were facing a massive blacklash after their easy encore stage

and didn't even recover from this backlash before coachella happen that's why this accumulation of bad performance hurt them in the chart when they performed at coachella

and it's also one of the reason why a lot of fearnots were mad at HYBE at this time, cuz a lot of them felt that HYBE try to set them up to failure and even bigger backlash than they were facing

Critics that were 100% valid coming from Fearnots

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There was some heat for the easy encore and other groups faces that too. Coachella went overboard with fake constructive criticism. Other acts performed on that stage and didn't have the mics on or had loud backtrack and they didn't get anywhere close to the heat LSF received.

Also the whole tagline of "National embarrassment" was cruel. They received death threats over Coachella because the hate reached a boiling point where people thought it was okay to threaten the girls and leave hate comments. It's why they had to shutdown their social media pages for a whole year. It was nasty on their IG seeing so many people leave hateful comments. I always find it odd those same people don't have the same energy to others, but of course don't want anybody to experience what they went through

I disagree that fearnots were mad with Hybe about sending them to Coachella. You can maybe say worried, but I don't think true fans were mad and were excited to see them perform on one of the biggest stages.

Also, which criticism was 100% valid for their coachella performance? Vocals were decent and they performed hard on stage. They improved a lot to silence critics and weren't shy to put the mic on. It's why their tour has been very succesful because their getting rave reviews for putting on a show. Plus, you can clearly see growth in all of the members. I think we all have to respect them working hard and showing results of it.

Their performance in Coachella wasn't even as bad as people made It seem to be, I said It when I gave my two cents about last year.

It was energetic, fun, the girls clearly were happy to be there and giving their all. If I was in the crowd, I'd be having the time of my life and the last thing I'd be paying attention to would be imperfections on their vocals.

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do you have struggle to read or you just love twisting people words to fit your narrative ? cuz where in my comment did you saw me say that the critics were valid

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Critics that were 100% valid coming from Fearnots

Don't question my literacy just because you didn't articulate yourself intelligently.

I assume English isn't your first language, but the above statement absolutely first reads exactly how I interpreted it.

Also, stop yapping about things I clearly already know. I obviously know about the "controversies" that preceded their Coachella stage, but Coachella is absolutely when the hate went from jobless K-Pop stans doing their routine dragging of a rising girl group and moved into an uncomfortable place where even the general public was relentlessly attacking them.

It made NATIONAL HEADLINES.

Stop being disingenuous.

You flipped your shit just over Karina being lambasted for wearing red. Be for real.

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Criticisms of everyone else is valid

Criticisms of aespa is haters always hating on successful idols

We'll hunt Aespa. Because they can take it. Because they're not Kwangya's heroes. They're silent guardians, watchful protectors. A Dark Naevis.

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Don't question my literacy just because you didn't articulate yourself intelligently.

I assume English isn't your first language, but the above statement absolutely first reads exactly how I interpreted it.

Also, stop yapping about things I clearly already know. I obviously know about the "controversies" that preceded their Coachella stage, but Coachella is absolutely when the hate went from jobless K-Pop stans doing their routine dragging of a rising girl group and moved into an uncomfortable place where even the general public was relentlessly attacking them.

It made NATIONAL HEADLINES.

Stop being disingenuous.

You flipped your shit just over Karina being lambasted for wearing red. Be for real.

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Don't forget they avoided answering your final question of your previous post

School em Yama

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I didn’t think they were bad at Coachella either—honestly, the crowd seemed to react really well to them. Sure, there were some rough moments, but they definitely weren’t the worst performers there.

And personally, I don’t really stress about my ults’ live vocals. They’ve built a reputation for singing with very little to no backing track, and it shows in their performances:

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Groups like Ateez and Infinite are similar in that respect—Woohyun even said they only sing live, no matter what.

Yes, men usually have more stamina because of muscle mass, but I don’t think that means women can’t pull off demanding choreography and strong vocals at the same time. LE SSERAFIM sound fine to me, and I’d always take imperfect live vocals over a “perfect” lip-synched set. At the end of the day, it’s about the whole experience, not sounding like the studio version.

For me, even my ults with 16 members—where 13 are mainly performers and 3 are vocalists—don’t hide behind lip sync. And honestly, half the time Riku sings out of tune, which makes me laugh. That kind of imperfection is what proves it’s real.

Even the OG's show you how it's done lol

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If I may say a thing about some J-pop groups. I will never understand why all members don't sing. It kinda defeats the purpose of having a group, when over half are just dancers.