I just LOVE how Hyolyn ended this whole mess on Boys II Planet!

    You don't invite one of the best female vocalist of South Korea to rate contenders based on visuals.


    This is just another Queen behavior from her! This whole competition shows what's wrong with Kpop in general, and it reminds me of this quote from her:


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    ENG:


    Hyolyn: Do good looks also get included in the scores?
    JUSTHIS: It does, of course! I have been including it.
    Hyolyn: Really?
    JUSTHIS: Yeah.
    Hyolyn: But I didn’t include it even once.
    JUSTHIS: Doesn’t that count as charm? Since they're Idols…


    Tweet: "JUSTHIS is right. for the first time, I’m disliking Hyolyn unnie a little."



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    Also, this reminds me of what Kim Sejeong said last year.


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    She was one of the few idols in the industry along with Soyou that were known to lack visuals to the point people call them hideous, so of course she will rate without visuals.

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    Also, this reminds me of what Kim Sejeong said last year.


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    I was about to post that :sweat:


    I find these type of judges valuable because they're looking for the best interest of the competition. I think there's too many ways to rig the competition, and many talented people miss out because of that. It's better to provide constructive criticism in the hopes that idol either improves or figures out competition is not for them. It's a competitive industry and providing this type of criticism can go a long way. Maybe person isn't meant to be an idol, but it doesn't mean they're out of the industry because they can work behind the scenes.

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    She was one of the few idols in the industry along with Soyou that were known to lack visuals to the point people call them hideous, so of course she will rate without visuals.

    What! That doesn't make any sense to me. They're very good looking and I would never thought people thought they lacked visuals. I wasn't following kpop back then but that just seems insane to me.

    It's a nice gesture that Hyolyn says this but at the end of the day it's empty words. The PD-picks are going to get higher rankings, more screen time, and better edits regardless of their talent or even their visuals. It's all company politics that goes on behind the scenes that is telling both the judges and the audience which trainees are good and which trainees are bad.

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    She was one of the few idols in the industry along with Soyou that were known to lack visuals to the point people call them hideous, so of course she will rate without visuals.

    She is one of the most talented idols. Of course she’s going to value skills when she is more than qualified to asses them. It’s not like she expect them to be half as good as her, just be average at your job.

    As for looks and being brutally honest, they all range from average to below average. Why are we acting as if these contestants are beauty pageants/super model level?

    These shows are usually called talent shows, not visual shows after all.

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    Hyolyn needs to understand that theyre called "idols" not "singers". Idols number one job is to entertain, nobody stans Kpop idols and groups for singing like Whitney or Steve Perry. If you want that, just stan modern day virtuosos like Jo Yuri. :pepe-shrug:

    It’s not called visual either so her point still stands. Plus being average at singing or dancing is necessary for entertaining the audience. All these talentless popular idols will get carried by their talented members in the group performance then some may get attention for their looks.

    They don’t stand on their own hence they will never become soloist before a group debut.

    Companies never debut a group with nothing but talentless visuals and expect to succeed.


    TLDR: The talented members are essential. Talentless, not so much.

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    She's right but there's also something called potential.


    They should aim to look for talent yes but to also foster potential. For example, look at Kazuha.


    She wasn't on a survival show but during the debut days (and still today tbh), a lot of people just referred to her as "the ballerina." VERY FEW recognized her potential. Now look how beautifully she has blossomed into a good singer and dancer.

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    I was about to post that :sweat:


    I find these type of judges valuable because they're looking for the best interest of the competition. I think there's too many ways to rig the competition, and many talented people miss out because of that. It's better to provide constructive criticism in the hopes that idol either improves or figures out competition is not for them. It's a competitive industry and providing this type of criticism can go a long way. Maybe person isn't meant to be an idol, but it doesn't mean they're out of the industry because they can work behind the scenes.

    Exactly!


    This is why I said, if you don't have the talent, you don't deserve to debut. Many people are much more talented but don't get to debut because they don't have the visuals.


    This may sound harsh, but at least half the Kpop industry shouldn't be near the stage, because they simply can't sing on an average level. Some can debut because they have the visuals, or they can dance well enough, but if they can't sing, they shouldn't debut. I excluded rap for a reason, btw. Most Kpop groups doesn't need a rapper.


    Also, what I hate the most is when Kpop fans argue: "They're just rookies, give them time to develop."


    Nonsense! I could name at least 10 groups who were much better singers as rookies than most senior groups. Idols usually train for 2-3 years, that's enough to become an average vocalist, but agencies barely do any vocal training. Especially the big ones.


    And these competition shows are basically like "Korea's Next Top Model".


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    What! That doesn't make any sense to me. They're very good looking and I would never thought people thought they lacked visuals. I wasn't following kpop back then but that just seems insane to me.

    The Korean standards are different. People petitioned online to remove Hwasa from MAMAMOO, even agencies said she was too fat and ugly. They said the same about every other member too.


    If an Idol gain some wight, people calling them fat instantly, and it's all because Kpop was built on visuals. Especially these days.

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    Hyolyn needs to understand that theyre called "idols" not "singers". Idols number one job is to entertain, nobody stans Kpop idols and groups for singing like Whitney or Steve Perry. If you want that, just stan modern day virtuosos like Jo Yuri. :pepe-shrug:

    That wasn't true in the first 2 gen, and comments like this are the reason Kpop agencies go for the visuals and not for the talent.


    Millions of people stan Kpop Idols and group for the talent and not for the visuals, btw. They don't have to be Whitney, but if they can't be average at least, they should work in TESCO.

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    help me out by naming such idols

    So, you want another fandom war?😂


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    She's right but there's also something called potential.


    They should aim to look for talent yes but to also foster potential. For example, look at Kazuha.


    She wasn't on a survival show but during the debut days (and still today tbh), a lot of people just referred to her as "the ballerina." VERY FEW recognized her potential. Now look how beautifully she has blossomed into a good singer and dancer.

    Kazuha is a good dancer, and a decent singer when she doesn't sing LSF songs. HYBE can't manage any of them, not just LSF, btw, but I said this many times. The problem is HYBE not their Idols.


    Also, as I said above, looking for potential is great when a company does it and give 2-3 years of trainee period for Idols, but these shows usually don't do that anymore, the winner usually debut not long after the show if I remember correctly. Not sure, because I don't think I watched any of these since "Produce 101", and no competition topped that since. I mean, except the "Girls on Fire" and we all saw what happened with those amazing singers. Nothing, they never let them debut.

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    No, I want y'all to stop hiding behind blanket statements.


    If you have the balls to call certain idols talentless, then you most definitely have the balls to name said idols.

    Mate, you know I have the balls, and I said it multiple times which Idols shouldn't be in this industry at all, even after so many years.


    I never said, they're talentless, tho, because my main focus is SINGING, about the rest I don't care.


    For example, Lisa and Momo are great dancers, but neither of them can rap or sing on an average level. They should be in a dance group.


    Sakura is another example. Not a good dancer, rapper, but IF she sings the right song she's okay. LSF songs doesn't suit her range at all. In her case, I can blame her too, not only HYBE, because she's in this industry for over a decade, but I said this already when some of you posted that crying video about her, and never mentioned it till now.


    BTW, I still don't get it why Yunjin choose to be an Idol when she was a talented rookie opera singer.


    I could name a LOT of other Idols too.


    So, I hope you're happy now. You can throw the rocks at me.

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    For example, Lisa and Momo are great dancers, but neither of them can rap or sing on an average level. They should be in a dance group.


    Sakura is another example. Not a good dancer, rapper, but IF she sings the right song she's okay.

    So they aren't talentless and y'all are just throwing meaningless shade when you ACTUALLY can't think of an idol that is talentless.

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    well it's Hyolyn

    if someone can say it

    it's her!


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    You're already lucky for being BORN with vocal talent. People who work hard and try to improve themselves deserve all the luck they could get. I have always hated that quote and I stan talented vocalists, ones that are even better than her.

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