So they aren't talentless and y'all are just throwing meaningless shade when you ACTUALLY can't think of an idol that is talentless.
I never said, they're talentless, I said, they're not good singers.
Trust me there are Idols whom are talentless. Just pick some of the visuals only in any Kpop group.
Not sure if you understood that quote.
No one born with impeccable vocal skills. They had RAW talent, just like Hyolyn. She worked hard to be even better, that's how it's works.
I agree, people who work hard, deserve the luck, but it's easy to determine who worked hard, because if you're not even an average singer after many years, you're lazy or just don't care.
Many people are just lucky or privileged without talent, and not just in Kpop. All you need is connections, especially in the entertainment industry.
Trust me there are Idols whom are talentless.
So name these idols. I want names.
Okay, I will name some, but you have to defend me when people attack me, because you asked for it.🤣
Before anyone reads my comment: When I say "talentless", it means, they're not average in anything: vocal, rap and dance or just stage presence.
For starters: Jisoo. I can't name one thing that she can do on average level, even tho I always said, she had 10 times bigger potential than any other BP member as a vocalist.
As much as I love i-dle, Shuhua is also very lucky that she has a great producer like Soyeon, but she's a bit better than Jisoo.
Now: 
this is false.
you have absolutely no idea how hard it can be to improve. ESPECIALLY when you're not naturally gifted + have physically limiting qualities
Display MoreOkay, I will name some, but you have to defend me when people attack me, because you asked for it.🤣
Before anyone reads my comment: When I say "talentless", it means, they're not average in anything: vocal, rap and dance or just stage presence.
For starters: Jisoo. I can't name one thing that she can do on average level, even tho I always said, she had 10 times bigger potential than any other BP member as a vocalist.
As much as I love i-dle, Shuhua is also very lucky that she has a great producer like Soyeon, but she's a bit better than Jisoo.
Now:
You're wrong.
Actually, I know how hard it is to improve, and not only as a vocalist, but every vocal coach will tell you, in 2-3 years, anyone can reach the average level.
Most people are not naturally gifted.
I'm wrong? You asked for my opinion, at least tell me why I'm wrong. You can't say I'm biased or a hater because i-dle is one of my biggest faves, so...
Anyway, it's 3AM here, so I'm off, we can continue this later, but I know you won't call any Idol talentless or even worse than average, because you think every Idol has a talent, but sadly, that's not true.
anyone can reach the average level.
again, this is false.
You can't say I'm biased or a hater
Never said such a thing but thanks for the self-awareness.
but sadly, that's not true.
you're making this assumption about people are just sing what they are given and in the way they are told to sing it. if they are never given the opportunity to really showcase their talents, does that mean the talent is nonexistent?
Display MoreNot sure if you understood that quote.
No one born with impeccable vocal skills. They had RAW talent, just like Hyolyn. She worked hard to be even better, that's how it's works.
I agree, people who work hard, deserve the luck, but it's easy to determine who worked hard, because if you're not even an average singer after many years, you're lazy or just don't care.
Many people are just lucky or privileged without talent, and not just in Kpop. All you need is connections, especially in the entertainment industry.
And being born with raw talent is already a huge head start over others, which is lucky.
In a kpop group, not everyone has to be an amazing vocalist, being decent should be good enough, especially if you excel in other areas that are important to a kpop group's career. Hyolyn has no business deciding who does and doesn't deserve to have luck.
Hyolyn didn't contribute anything to the making of Sistar's hit songs, heck she also didn't show any particularly difficult vocal feats that couldn't be performed by others in those hit songs, which means that that success had very little to do with her and everything to do with the talent of people like brave brothers, double sidekick and black eyed pilseung. I guess, going by her own logic, since she didn't have a producing talent she didn't deserve the luck of being put in a group that had songs produced by very talented producers which propelled her and her group to stardom.
"talentless" idols in popular groups belong there.
If they didn't they wouldn't be popular
And being born with raw talent is already a huge head start over others, which is lucky.
In a kpop group, not everyone has to be an amazing vocalist, being decent should be good enough, especially if you excel in other areas that are important to a kpop group's career. Hyolyn has no business deciding who does and doesn't deserve to have luck.
That's what I said. Being average should be the minimum. Vocals should be the main focus in Kpop not dancing, or visuals, maybe rap, but honestly, 90% of the time Kpop songs doesn't need rap, so.
Hyolyn has every right to say that, because 1st: she's the judge, 2nd: she was judged for her visuals not for her talent, so she knows how it feels to be ignored just because you don't look the part even tho she's much better singer than most Kpop Idols. And let's be real, nepotism is not a new thing in the Music Industry. Many Idols debuted because they're from a rich family or had better connections, not just because of their visuals. Where's the "luck" in that?
QuoteHyolyn didn't contribute anything to the making of Sistar's hit songs, heck she also didn't show any particularly difficult vocal feats that couldn't be performed by others in those hit songs, which means that that success had very little to do with her and everything to do with the talent of people like brave brothers, double sidekick and black eyed pilseung. I guess, going by her own logic, since she didn't have a producing talent she didn't deserve the luck of being put in a group that had songs produced by very talented producers which propelled her and her group to stardom.
WHAT? Do you even know Sistar and Hyolyn? She wrote and composed a lot of songs for Sistar. She has more than 30 credits overall.🤣
Show me an Idol who can hit those notes that she did. I could only name like 10. Also, she was talking about VOCAL SKILLS, because that's the most important skill for a singer, and Idols should be singers, not just influencers!
Questioning her vocal skills is just insane behavior, so I will stop here. No point to continue this conversation.
Display Moreagain, this is false.
you're making this assumption about people are just sing what they are given and in the way they are told to sing it.
if they are never given the opportunity to really showcase their talents, does that mean the talent is nonexistent?
I literally watched random people who never sang and didn't have any raw talent becoming a decent singer in a couple of years.
So, if I don't know that, what we should say about singers (not just Idols) whom are in this industry for a long time, not just 2-3 years, but their skills didn't improve that much? For example, Jisoo's vocal skills improved in the past 2 years, but she's still below-average.
If a singer doesn't improve after a long time, there's only 2 or 3 option: They don't care, the company doesn't let them improve, because it doesn't matter anyway, autotune and pitch correction can fix anything for cheaper, or they simply don't want to improve, because being an Idol is just a stepping stone for something else, and that's true for many Idols, it's a known fact for many years.
I said this multiple times, a LOT of times the lack of vocal training and even the way they want Idols to sing a song, is 100% on the company, HYBE and YG Idols are the prime example of that, BUT if an Idol is not a rookie anymore, they can stand up and say, I can't do that, I want to do it differently, I want to be included in the production, and I want to take vocal lessons too. If the company says: Keep dreaming, you either leave the company, or you have to pay for those lessons for yourself. Many Idols did that, btw.
Everyone has a talent, but if they don't do anything with it, it's basically nonexistent, so yeah.
Many Idols who left their agency and the group later became a better singer too, and that proves they actually care about this job.
EXO members always said, they're still doing vocal training multiple days per week, Mamamoo also, and a lot of others. It's a skill that you have to keep developing or maintain a level, because if you don't, you're gonna end up like Jihyo in TWICE. She's not even close to her peak anymore, and that's mostly on JYP. People said she could be the next Hyolyn, and where is she now? She's still decent, but not on the same level with Idols like Solar.
The tldr is that
I'm the most talented and most hardworking
I should have been worldwide famous my luck sucks
Stan icyruios
Display MoreThat's what I said. Being average should be the minimum. Vocals should be the main focus in Kpop not dancing, or visuals, maybe rap, but honestly, 90% of the time Kpop songs doesn't need rap, so.
Hyolyn has every right to say that, because 1st: she's the judge, 2nd: she was judged for her visuals not for her talent, so she knows how it feels to be ignored just because you don't look the part even tho she's much better singer than most Kpop Idols. And let's be real, nepotism is not a new thing in the Music Industry. Many Idols debuted because they're from a rich family or had better connections, not just because of their visuals. Where's the "luck" in that?
WHAT? Do you even know Sistar and Hyolyn? She wrote and composed a lot of songs for Sistar. She has more than 30 credits overall.🤣
Show me an Idol who can hit those notes that she did. I could only name like 10. Also, she was talking about VOCAL SKILLS, because that's the most important skill for a singer, and Idols should be singers, not just influencers!
Questioning her vocal skills is just insane behavior, so I will stop here. No point to continue this conversation.
1- I was strictly talking about the quote where she said you don't deserve the luck if you don't have the talent, not about what she said recently.
2- I am fully aware of Hyolyn's skill range, I specifically mention Sistar's hit songs. Hyolyn didn't participate in the making of any of those and to be frank her solo career wasn't a success. It was someone else's talent that gave Hyolyn the necessary attention and spotlight to build a name for herself. That's why I don't like that quote at all. A kpop's group's success is the result of a collective effort, every member is lucky if they end up in the same group as someone who contributes something to the group's success or has qualities that get the group attention. That's why, once again, hyolyn has no business deciding who does and doesn't deserve luck. Bora for example didn't have any particularly stellar talents (and lbr most kpop fans took this quote as shade toward Bora and Dasom) but Bora having "luck" to go viral and become popular reflected positively on Sistar and turned into a good luck for the entire group, which naturally benefited hyolyn. Same for Soyu being a hit feature.
3- my favorite kpop vocalists are super junior's KRY. Two of them are arguably better than Hyolyn and yet they have never gone around dismissing the efforts of less gifted / talented idols or denying them the right to success. Neither did other top kpop vocalists like Taeyeon, Jea, Luna, Sandeul, Baekhyun and etc.
1- I was strictly talking about the quote where she said you don't deserve the luck if you don't have the talent, not about what she said recently.
2- I am fully aware of Hyolyn's skill range, I specifically mention Sistar's hit songs. Hyolyn didn't participate in the making of any of those and to be frank her solo career wasn't a success. It was someone else's talent that gave Hyolyn the necessary attention and spotlight to build a name for herself. That's why I don't like that quote at all. A kpop's group's success is the result of a collective effort, every member is lucky if they end up in the same group as someone who contributes something to the group's success or has qualities that get the group attention. That's why, once again, hyolyn has no business deciding who does and doesn't deserve luck. Bora for example didn't have any particularly stellar talents (and lbr most kpop fans took this quote as shade toward Bora and Dasom) but Bora having "luck" to go viral and become popular reflected positively on Sistar and turned into a good luck for the entire group, which naturally benefited hyolyn. Same for Soyu being a hit feature.
3- my favorite kpop vocalists are super junior's KRY. Two of them are arguably better than Hyolyn and yet they have never gone around dismissing the efforts of less gifted / talented idols or denying them the right to success. Neither did other top kpop vocalists like Taeyeon, Jea, Luna, Sandeul, Baekhyun and etc.
So you think anyone who's not talented deserve to be lucky to get a (any) job that some other person should get who's actually knows what they're doing?
Success and hit songs has nothing to do with you're talking about. At least 90% of Kpop Idols are not successful in a large scale, like IU, GD, Taeyeon, BP or BTS members. That's not the measurement of a REAL success. The fact that a singer can still release songs and many people love it, THAT'S SUCESS! Not Charts, Sales or Streaming numbers.
Hyolyn build her own name ALONE, not someone else! She didn't write any of the massive Sistar hit songs, but she was hated since day 1, no one loved her, people wanted her out of the group, because of her visuals, and now she's one of the most respected artists in Korea, hence, it's 100% her hard work, not someone else's. And this is a fact!
Just because others never something like this, doesn't mean Hyolyn is wrong, and trust others said similar things as well, just watch the video with Sejeong or other competition shows and see what the judges say.
Hyolyn is not the first and the only one who dissed lucky Idols the whole Industry were talking about this for many years.
Even Lee Hyori said, most Idols are robotic, and unnatural on stage.
Display MoreSo you think anyone who's not talented deserve to be lucky to get a (any) job that some other person should get who's actually knows what they're doing?
Success and hit songs has nothing to do with you're talking about. At least 90% of Kpop Idols are not successful in a large scale, like IU, GD, Taeyeon, BP or BTS members. That's not the measurement of a REAL success. The fact that a singer can still release songs and many people love it, THAT'S SUCESS! Not Charts, Sales or Streaming numbers.
Hyolyn build her own name ALONE, not someone else! She didn't write any of the massive Sistar hit songs, but she was hated since day 1, no one loved her, people wanted her out of the group, because of her visuals, and now she's one of the most respected artists in Korea, hence, it's 100% her hard work, not someone else's. And this is a fact!
Just because others never something like this, doesn't mean Hyolyn is wrong, and trust others said similar things as well, just watch the video with Sejeong or other competition shows and see what the judges say.
Hyolyn is not the first and the only one who dissed lucky Idols the whole Industry were talking about this for many years.
Even Lee Hyori said, most Idols are robotic, and unnatural on stage.
Short answer : yes, I think everyone deserves luck. And no, no one is taking anyone else's job. For example Dasom and Bora aren't talented but them having luck to make it as idols didn't mean they stole hyolyn's job, they didn't become main vocalists and no one considers them singers. Their luck only served to give them a chance to become popular. So what hyolyn said had nothing to do with stealing jobs but everything to do with success and popularity. Basically she was saying you don't deserve to become popular if you're not talented and that's a sentiment I don't agree with in an industry such as kpop. Being popular because you're funny or lovable or pretty are legitimate.
Short answer : yes, I think everyone deserves luck. And no, no one is taking anyone else's job. For example Dasom and Bora aren't talented but them having luck to make it as idols didn't mean they stole hyolyn's job, they didn't become main vocalists and no one considers them singers. Their luck only served to give them a chance to become popular. So what hyolyn said had nothing to do with stealing jobs but everything to do with success and popularity. Basically she was saying you don't deserve to become popular if you're not talented and that's a sentiment I don't agree with in an industry such as kpop. Being popular because you're funny or lovable or pretty are legitimate.
I mean, technically it's not STEALING, it's more like unfair with amazing talents. Just look at what happened with those girls in "Girls on Fire" competition. Amazing singers, yet even tho they won, and the price was basically a debut, they didn't get anything.
Hyolyn's comment is more deep than it looks based on 1 gif. She was talking about Idols who don't work hard to be better.
If you can become famous for being pretty or hot, you should be a model. If you're funny, be an actor or a comedian. In the Music Industry, not just in Kpop, talent should be the main factor, not something else, and sure, you don't have to be Freddie Mercury on your debut day, BUT if you don't work hard to develop your skills, you don't deserve the luck.
A LOT of people take their luck for granted.
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