If anyone can steal the throne from aespa at this point, it's katseye

    Quote from gerrard174

    Never understood why Hot 100 (a US chart) matters more than BB200 global (or global exc US) for western validation ...


    Is the US validation that important?

    Well if you don't care about US "validation" you wouldn't use Billboard as a benchmark to begin with, because at the end of the day Billboard is an American company and their main domestic charts (Hot 100 & Billboard 200) are considered the prestigious ones. Basically only Kpop fans ever cared about their global charts, and in reality there's no single music chart that will actually tell you what the most popular songs or albums in the entire world are.


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    No idea why people use west when they think USA.


    Companies do want to have success in the west/USA. Bts and it's members charted on hot 100, bp and its members too, newjeans, le sserafim, stray kids charted too. Illit with magnetic. Is there anyone else? Come on Yama-Chan chart king, help me . So it's not impossible but it's hard.

    :meme-stare:

    I need to find all my old posts predicting a multinational global GG making huge waves by the year 2025 so i can pat myself on the back for my amazing forecasting abilities.


    I think it is clearly a Katseye vs Lesserafim battle outside Asia. With New Jeans conveniently on indefinite hiatus due to former SM mastermind Minheejin, Aespa has taken control of Korea (China and SEA as well), with only Japan remaining a LSRFM stronghold.


    But i think Ive will reclaim that domestic throne with their next comeback. Ive's core fanbase have been literally kids and tweens since 2021, and as they enter their HS years, Ive will only get more popular. Ive could be the rare GG that peaks 5 or 6 years after their debut (only Oh My God has managed that recently afaik).


    ETA: By the middle of 2026, you could have Katseye running Europe and NA, LSRFM running Japan, Ive running Korea, and Aespa running China and SEA.

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    Well if you don't care about US "validation" you wouldn't use Billboard as a benchmark to begin with, because at the end of the day Billboard is an American company and their main domestic charts (Hot 100 & Billboard 200) are considered the prestigious ones. Basically only Kpop fans ever cared about their global charts, and in reality there's no single music chart that will actually tell you what the most popular songs or albums in the entire world are.


    :meme-stare:

    Because we are short of of global chart (UWC was deemed inaccurate)


    BB compiled data from almost all big music markets for BB Global 200. It is the CLOSEST to "global chart" we have for now. The next one is spotify global chart but that's only spotify.


    Quoting the reason BB is "American" company is irrelevant unless you're implying that BB is fradulent which will make all its chart meaningless. Choose your narrative

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    Because we are short of of global chart (UWC was deemed inaccurate)


    BB compiled data from almost all big music markets for BB Global 200. It is the CLOSEST to "global chart" we have for now. The next one is spotify global chart but that's only spotify.


    Quoting the reason BB is "American" company is irrelevant unless you're implying that BB is fradulent which will make all its chart meaningless. Choose your narrative

    Also,


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    This chart is a hurdle for many groups especially Kateyes. They have not even chart 1 day on this chart since debut, and don't downplay it. AM music is roughly or just a bit behind spotify in U.S market.


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    It is not unique to Katseye though, many new kpop songs here don't even chart on AM Music. I am not suprise that old songs outed of the chart but news kpop songs could not even chart.


    I am suprised that most of the Hybe songs here recently could not enter that AM chart given most of them debuted on U.S spotify, hence, why they did not chart on global AM.

    Quote from gerrard174

    Because we are short of of global chart (UWC was deemed inaccurate)


    BB compiled data from almost all big music markets for BB Global 200. It is the CLOSEST to "global chart" we have for now. The next one is spotify global chart but that's only spotify.


    Quoting the reason BB is "American" company is irrelevant unless you're implying that BB is fradulent which will make all its chart meaningless. Choose your narrative

    My "narrative," aka my point, was that Billboard is still technically an American music chart regardless of which of their charts you're looking at. It is a chart compiled by Americans for American consumption, which is anything but irrelevant, as being the big American music chart is the sole reason why anyone cares so much about it. It has nothing to do with their accuracy or lack thereof, which from a global standpoint probably isn't any better than any number of other charts. If you don't care about American "validation," then you don't care about Billboard. Not even their global charts, and the only reason why anyone ever cared about their global charts is because most Kpop groups can't chart domestically (in the US.) Otherwise Kpop fans would care as little about those peripheral charts as Americans do.


    What everyone really wants is their favs charting on the Hot 100 & Billboard 200, because they know those are the Billboard charts that actually matter. Those are the feathers in the cap, not some secondary chart of questionable accuracy.

    :pepe-cop: interesting. I was not aware that Katseye have never charted on AM.

    Kudos to them though, I never ever expected a global GG would work. This group really has the potential to be next fifth harmony if their PR and producers do a good job. So far I'm seeing girls putting more effort than their team. Give team good producers and you'll see them become next big thing.

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    Does kpop fans use AM? How did other kpop groups did on it?

    In my country the most popular are youtube, Deezer (it's part of mobile monthly plan) and then Spotify. Don't know anyone who uses AM.

    Idk, nobody around me uses AM either. It's not as widely used as Spotify among Kpop fans, I think. And its considered more of an "organic" platform than Spotify cuz masss-streaming doesn't work there.


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    Idk, nobody around me uses AM either. It's not as widely used as Spotify among Kpop fans, I think. And its considered more of an "organic" platform than Spotify cuz masss-streaming doesn't work there.


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    Here deezer is organic but the issue is that there's not a single foreign song in top 100 lol


    Also, we don't have Spotify chart, no idea why, almost all balkan doesn't have it : S so i cannot check the numbers. Apparently we have AM chart but I've never heard anyone using it so I'm confused why we have AM chart but not Spotify.

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    Here deezer is organic but the issue is that there's not a single foreign song in top 100 lol


    Also, we don't have Spotify chart, no idea why, almost all balkan doesn't have it : S so i cannot check the numbers. Apparently we have AM chart but I've never heard anyone using it so I'm confused why we have AM chart but not Spotify.

    That means Kpop is not popular in your country lol


    You're saying that Spotify is available in your country for streaming but there is no chart to track numbers?

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    That means Kpop is not popular in your country lol


    You're saying that Spotify is available in your country for streaming but there is no chart to track numbers?

    Not only kpop but also american, english and latin American music ^^ checked YouTube audio chart and ATLXS - passo bem solto (slowed) at #86 is the only foreign song lol. And on MV chart at #82 betsy and mariya yankovskaya - sigma boy is the only one. It's interesting that none are in English ^^ we just love our music lol


    and yes, we have spotify but we don't have charts. I'm from the gray part in the middle


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    No idea why.

    That's strange

    Apple music is basically the reason why HYBE was accused of autoplaying/ playslisting their groups. The difference between AM and Spotify is too huge. Other groups like BP and Aespa have much similar placements

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