It’s safe to say TBL is completely incompetent at managing idols

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even though izna isn’t under tbl, they’re still in charge of the group’s music and sound and tbh i think wakeone should end this partnership.

i only see teddy giving the girls more wack songs like izna and calling it a day

Wut? Izna wasnt the best but it was far better than the utter monstrosity that was Meow's title song omg. And Teddy more than made up for it by putting up the best B side lineup of any album this year tbh (Fake It, IWALY and Timebomb). Izna easily outshining both Meow and Baemon musically.

I liked toxic and the stage they had at MAMA. But I'm personally going to need more music to get invested

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the question has to be whether the artist themselves have issue with the company

NO. Not this shit again. Back then, I remember people saying Blackpink must be contented with sparse music releases, they still had gigs and never complaint.

Look what's happening after the exclusive contract ended.

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It doesn’t mean they weren’t content. It might just mean they know they have to work harder now that they’re on their own.

If they were that unhappy, they wouldn’t stick with YGE for group activities.

The only reason they re-signed as a group was because they didn't want to lose/give up the Blackpink IP (although they could have went the NJZ route if they really wanted to) because there was no way YG was gonna give up the name.

As Jennie mentioned in her recent interview, she was bored fuck out of her mind until 2018 with the release of Square Up when their activities finally picked up a little bit.

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Personally, right after debut, BLACKPINK didn’t have a lot of promotional schedules. Our activities as a group were limited. So… even after debuting, the next day I was sent right back to my daily routine of waking up and going to practice. I didn’t really have anything else scheduled to do. People would be like, ‘What a successful debut! Good for you!’ I wouldn’t get it. I was like, ‘Was it, though? It feels the same to me.’

I have no clue what they're doing with Somi. She's a talented artist and shouldn't be stuck being an influencer. I expected much more from her and it feels like TBL failed her.

Meovv looks like a talented group with a lot of potential. I hope they aren't going to go exclusive route because the girl group landscape is too competitive to sit on music. I hope they have a strong comeback and remain busy. The Blackpink method is not going to work and they need to be active

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NO. Not this shit again. Back then, I remember people saying Blackpink must be contented with sparse music releases, they still had gigs and never complaint.

Look what's happening after the exclusive contract ended.

what do you mean not this shit again?

what is the criteria for determining whether an entertainment company is mismanaging their groups if not for the artist themselves? we as fans certainly have different expectations that might not always align with what the idols themselves want

I will concede that for most idols they don't have the power to call out potential issues of mismanagement should it occur but that's the very nature of the business they got themselves in

you raise BP - they are one of the biggest GG in kpop and therefore they have way more power to determine their own careers far better than the average idol and if they were unhappy with YGE I'm pretty sure we would have heard about it

the question is with all the gigs and non-music releases - the question for the members is - were they happy with the careers as BP whilst under YGE? Since to me the only persons who can answer such questions is the members themselves

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what do you mean not this shit again?

what is the criteria for determining whether an entertainment company is mismanaging their groups if not for the artist themselves? we as fans certainly have different expectations that might not always align with what the idols themselves want

I will concede that for most idols they don't have the power to call out potential issues of mismanagement should it occur but that's the very nature of the business they got themselves in

you raise BP - they are one of the biggest GG in kpop and therefore they have way more power to determine their own careers far better than the average idol and if they were unhappy with YGE I'm pretty sure we would have heard about it

the question is with all the gigs and non-music releases - the question for the members is - were they happy with the careers as BP whilst under YGE? Since to me the only persons who can answer such questions is the members themselves

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One basic question is - if efficiency + effectiveness required to judge a good management.

Efficiency means the idol is used to maximum of her potential. Effectiveness is whether the group is popular. Does Meovv check these boxes?

Do you seriously believe there are idols not wanting to be popular? Some may say "It's ok to be not popular if ..." but, that clearly mere a compromise. Still, they want to be popular. That's a usual psychological desire.

And, it's a very common perception that an idol group should hold 2 promotion cycles years at bare minimum unless the group has been established. Everyone within the industry believes in this, idols believe in this. Karina did say she feared her group might be buried taking long break. Karina with S.M behind her back was worried. Who the heck TBL is for its idols to be more confident than Karina? Do you think Teddy possessed them like Min Heejin did to Newjeans?

"That the very nature of", what a shitty leniency is this? It's a very nature of politicians to be corrupted so, just give up? Not trying to support the least vicious politician in the run? Just watch them funding more gain-of-function researches and wait for deadlier variant of COVID? It's very nature of idol industry to neglect idols' health so, just shrug it off when the idol is urged to take harmful diet?

Have it never come across your mind that Lisa even keeping a distance from K-pop speaks louder than words? Has not her action already answered if she was happy with YGE and K-pop industry as the whole?

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It doesn’t mean they weren’t content. It might just mean they know they have to work harder now that they’re on their own.

If they were that unhappy, they wouldn’t stick with YGE for group activities.

This looks alike clownery.

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One basic question is - if efficiency + effectiveness required to judge a good management.

Efficiency means the idol is used to maximum of her potential. Effectiveness is whether the group is popular. Does Meovv check these boxes?

Do you seriously believe there are idols not wanting to be popular? Some may say "It's ok to be not popular if ..." but, that clearly mere a compromise. Still, they want to be popular. That's a usual psychological desire.

And, it's a very common perception that an idol group should hold 2 promotion cycles years at bare minimum unless the group has been established. Everyone within the industry believes in this, idols believe in this. Karina did say she feared her group might be buried taking long break. Karina with S.M behind her back was worried. Who the heck TBL is for its idols to be more confident than Karina? Do you think Teddy possessed them like Min Heejin did to Newjeans?

"That the very nature of", what a shitty leniency is this? It's a very nature of politicians to be corrupted so, just give up? Not trying to support the least vicious politician in the run? Just watch them funding more gain-of-function researches and wait for deadlier variant of COVID? It's very nature of idol industry to neglect idols' health so, just shrug it off when the idol is urged to take harmful diet?

Have it never come across your mind that Lisa even keeping a distance from K-pop speaks louder than words? Has not her action already answered if she was happy with YGE and K-pop industry as the whole?

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para 1 - not sure since I dunno how popular meovv are

para 2 - all idols want to popular I completely agree.

para 3 - I agree with that perception however that doesn't mean that perception is necessarily right or that it is the best promotion strategy. With all due respect Karina is one of the most popular idols currently (at least of GG) and aespa is one of the most popular groups so take what says with a grain of salt. I dunno about TBL and meovv

para 4 - they can try to change all they want - if you as a fan don't like the way the industry works you can try to change it. My point is that they (and us) don't have the power the power to do so and therefore they have a choice - to continue with the status quo knowing of all it's flaws and working within the "flawed system" or try to change it...and if they choose option one then they bear the risks thereof.

I've said this before about kpop contracts - GET yourself a bloody lawyer to go through such contracts and if you cannot afford a lawyer then you cannot afford to give up the next 7 years (plus training years) of your life under a potential slave contract. I'm not naive to believe that any individual idol starting out has the power to determine or change the contract but at the very least you know what you are getting yourself into and if you are determined to continue to debut as an idol then you bear the risks of such a contract.

para 5 - money is the ultimate determinate whether in kpop or otherwise. Lisa is not that popular in SK and therefore her future lies outside kpop per se and SK. Do we believe if she was PAKing and selling like rockcakes in SK that she wouldn't promote in SK??? That is completely different to whether she was mismanaged by YGE. And I'm not claiming that she either was or was not - again my ultimate argument is that question has to be determined by the artist themselves

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They've sent two members to Fashion Weeks. And it was obvious they will get that BP route with lot of dungeon treatment.

Without the fame of BP.

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They've sent two members to Fashion Weeks. And it was obvious they will get that BP route with lot of dungeon treatment.

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Well yeah, they are the same vein as YG.

Could it be... that it was Teddy, not yg, who was responsible for the "dungeon" that BP used to go to??

I haven't seen yg sending baemon to dungeon at all. They are really active and have released more songs in their first year since debut than BP did in their 1st and 2nd year combined.

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Could it be... that it was Teddy, not yg, who was responsible for the "dungeon" that BP used to go to??

They were both responsible. Teddy being forever stuck in his early 2000s hip hop/edm phase, and YG of course being YG...and I guess the members themselves might bear some responsibility. In past interviews they have said they only trust working with Teddy....whether that statement is from the heart or just corporate speak...who knows.

Come on, even the Queen of Kpop is shading Teddy Bear's company. 🤣