This year's Gallup showed BTS' sacrifice for Korea was in vain

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    It might have been a 'nearest run thing' but Napoleon ended his day in a tiny room in St. Helena, 2,000 miles away from a big landmass, while the Dukedom of Wellington still exists.


    2023 Gallup Song of the Year

    1. NewJeans - Super Shy 6.8%

    2. Jungkook (ft. Latto) - Seven 6.7%


    The difference is 0.1% but the impact is eternal


    Seven - Peak position #1 in Billboard Hot 100

    Super Shy - Peak position #44 in Billboard Hot 100


    Yet the Koreans (yes, I want to hyphenate it that bad) elected Super Shy as the most popular song of 2023.


    Because the Koreans used to include people in 40s and 50s, songs like Cho Yongpil's Bounce, Im Changjung's song without an English title, and Yoon Jongshin's song polluted the #1s in Gallup Songs of the Year.


    Fortunately, the separation of people over 40 ended such possibility of older-men-only-relevant-in-Korea taking #1s at Gallup.


    I wonder how high Twice would be without Im Changjung's tantrum back in 2016. What he did was, basically, wrong. Again, the trot boom, ironically, has ended such kind of behavior once for all.


    But this year's Gallup shows the general lack of appreciation the Korean general public had on BTS' world domination.


    An amazing thing occurred - people in 30s selected the Former Owner of Edam Entertainment over BTS.


    The Korean males would rather choose IU than BTS, since IU is not BTS.


    This result shows BTS' not ditching Korea and going to the military was in vain. A mistake which cannot be corrected.


    Koreans did NOT appreciate BTS' sacrifice and elected New Jeans as the new Top Act of Korea.


    Korea consisted less than 10% of BTS' entire revenue, yet Jungkook, for reasons only he could fathom, chose to have his only showcase in Korea, in a venue smaller than what IU, BTS' nemesis and the one reason BTS members are now in the barracks, held her fan concert a few weeks before.


    Frankly speaking, they would be better off ditching Korea, taking residency in some other country, never entering Korea ever again and let IU and NewJeans and Lim Youngwoong play with that small country.


    I wrote a few times that the opportunity cost of BTS losing 2022-2025 exceeded $10 billion.


    Taylor Swift, Person of the Year 2023, is now in an unassailable position. Her concert tickets now average $1,800.


    With her being recognized as the Top Singer of the World, her fame and wealth will only increase.


    Meanwhile, Bruno Mars earned a whooping $65 million from concerts this year, and Sam Smith earned less than that.


    That is what the 'longer career' argument by Korean incels who failed arithmetic at grade school has led BTS to.


    BTS will earn maybe a couple hundred million in 2026, and downhill from there.


    And , NewJeans' defeat of Jungkook has ensured that IU will go down as the greatest soloist of Korean history. By the time JK is ready to do his solo project , the Former Owner of Edam Entertainment would be 34(1,348) years old with 20 years in the showbiz , and is unlikely to care.


    It is like the tale of a Prince who gives up his throne and everything for a peasant girl, who chooses a local peasant boy instead since the latter is more palatable to her parents.


    The Koreans showed they did NOT appreciate the sacrifices BTS members had made, and chose NewJeans as their champion.


    The opportunity cost of this won't be calculable.


    I can understand Bang, whose desire to play a tycoon along with the owners of Samsung, Hyundai, etc and was afraid BTS becoming bigger than himself.


    But I wonder why RM encouraged Jungkook to enlist. JK would have become the next Harry Styles or bigger, but now it is all history. He won't do even as well as Bruno Mars or Sam Smith when he finally finds the time to resume his solo activity in 2027 when he is... 30.


    Jungkook's total net worth will be at least $1 billion less than what he would have made if he had ditched Korea.


    And the Koreans showed the middle finger to him by selecting Super Shy over Seven.

  • It's mandatory. They can't evade military service. :pepestare:


    Jungkook would get a lot of backlash and hate if he didn't enlist. He's been called selfish countless of times with the mere thought of him continuing his solo activities until the reunion in 2025.

  • 0.1% difference :cryingr:


    Why are you also excluding the poll by 32 Label execs that voted Jk on par with Newjeans...I love how you pick and choose data as per your convenience only relaying that which suits your agenda.


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    Do you know only 1 song from a Kpop idol/artist made it to top 10 songs for those in 40s...and that was 7.

  • It's mandatory. They can't evade military service. :pepestare:


    Jungkook would get a lot of backlash and hate if he didn't enlist. He's been called selfish countless of times with the mere thought of him continuing his solo activities until the reunion in 2025.

    Well OP and most others outside the fandom do not know the passive aggressive, love - hate relationship the fandom has with Jungkook but JK knows it. Many would have been super pissed at him had he continued solo work till 2025 and delayed his enlistment to 2028, despite it not affecting group comeback in anyway. He took a wise decision.

  • But they are no longer dominant


    When it is seen as no longer dominant a bunch of things can happen

    Dominant whutt? They are not even active as a group...3 members were literally enlisted in 2023 :cryingr:

  • It's mandatory. They can't evade military service. :pepestare:


    Jungkook would get a lot of backlash and hate if he didn't enlist. He's been called selfish countless of times with the mere thought of him continuing his solo activities until the reunion in 2025.

    Not if they abandon Korea and move their residency to some other country. What can Korea do?


    If Bang was willing to do that he would have done it but he wanted to play with Korea's tycoons instead.


    What backlash and hate, outside of Korea, which is less than 10% of BTS' revenue? And even when they did, Korea rejected BTS as the figures above have shown.


    JK didn't have the backbone to endure the haters. Again it is all because they could not cut the ties with Korea, and not cutting them did NOT help them at all after everything since the Koreans rejected them anyways

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  • Well OP and most others outside the fandom do not know the passive aggressive, love - hate relationship the fandom has with Jungkook but JK knows it. Many would have been super pissed at him had he continued solo work till 2025 and delayed his enlistment to 2028, despite it not affecting group comeback in anyway. He took a wise decision.

    Which will cut his total net worth by at least a billion dollars


    Bang would not have cared. Bang would have retained JK no matter what, treating him like BoA and Gangta in SM


    I have always detested the all fan ethos. It is so totalitarian.

  • Why are you being so dramatic about this? :sweat:

    Because it is like a Greek Tragedy.


    Bang's greed, RM's ambition to become something bigger in Korea, JK's inability to abandon the other members, etc led to this tragedy.


    And the figures show that the Koreans were NOT impressed by this sacrifice . They preferred the newer faces of New Jeans.


    Some Armies still think BTS will re-climb its old throne, but in Pop, once you are out of favor, you are out, especially if you are a group. Their comeback will cause a small stir but that would be it since the ethos which led BTS to the top of the world would have changed by then.


    I don't think they will do better than what Bruno Mars and Sam Smith , averaging maybe $60 mil or less, are doing now.

  • Who said it was about the backlash and hate he would receive in SK and abroad?

    You don't know even know whats going on within our fandom.

    Who even said about him not having a backbone to endure the haters? I doubt he cares about that. He already made his decision.

  • Well OP and most others outside the fandom do not know the passive aggressive, love - hate relationship the fandom has with Jungkook but JK knows it. Many would have been super pissed at him had he continued solo work till 2025 and delayed his enlistment to 2028, despite it not affecting group comeback in anyway. He took a wise decision.

    Damn that fandom. Since the beginning of Jungkook's solo era, many time I come across their comments about him, I see their shading him in some way subtly or straightly. I know JK is loyal to the group but that fandom doesn't deserve him.

  • Let the future handle itself is all I'm saying.


    Whether BTS can reclaim whatever it is you think they should reclaim, they have nothing else to prove to anyone.


    You're just creating controversy, I reckon.

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  • Damn that fandom. Since the beginning of Jungkook's solo era, many time I come across their comments about him, I see their shading him in some way subtly or straightly. I know JK is loyal to the group but that fandom doesn't deserve him.

    It is possible that the Armies did not want him to become bigger than the group, which he was on the route for it.

  • Let the future handle itself is all I'm saying.


    Whether BTS can reclaim whatever it is you think they should reclaim, they have nothing else to prove to anyone.


    You're just creating controversy, I reckon.

    The future is not hard to predict. There are too many tools now to predict the future.


    USA has been re-claimed by Taylor Swift and the country singers.


    BTS has to start back from square one, and they are no longer that young.

  • how can they? jin enlisted last year. they haven't had group activities since

    You had me doubt my memory so I went to check it out, they did drop 2 singles this year correct? Or no? I remember there were threads about it because it came out around time exo had comeback announcement so I remember seeing it.


    I don't think bts hiatus is not hiatus-in, lucky you lol

    ~ Retired exol, don't ask me about that group. ~

  • You had me doubt my memory so I went to check it out, they did drop 2 singles this year correct? Or no? I remember there were threads about it because it came out around time exo had comeback announcement so I remember seeing it.


    I don't think bts hiatus is not hiatus-in, lucky you lol

    one is an ost for a nugu game, one is a fan-song for their anniversary. both were recorded before jin's enlistment with no promo. that's "many" activities? maybe to other groups, but not for bts standard.

  • one is an ost for a nugu game, one is a fan-song for their anniversary. both were recorded before jin's enlistment with no promo. that's "many" activities? maybe to other groups, but not for bts standard.

    It wasn't even a game, it was some silly cartoon thing no one even saw in SK.


    I would add more to this but :pepeshut:


    There are some on this forum I would rather not engage with but just observe and be amused at.

  • one is an ost for a nugu game, one is a fan-song for their anniversary. both were recorded before jin's enlistment with no promo. that's "many" activities? maybe to other groups, but not for bts standard.

    Activities are activities, hiatus is when group releases NOTHING. Absolutely nothing, NADA, silence, ignore, seen, on read.

    ~ Retired exol, don't ask me about that group. ~

  • You had me doubt my memory so I went to check it out, they did drop 2 singles this year correct? Or no? I remember there were threads about it because it came out around time exo had comeback announcement so I remember seeing it.


    I don't think bts hiatus is not hiatus-in, lucky you lol

    That's not group activity. One song was ost song recorded ages ago that could have been released at any date. Ofc it's unprompted, i even forgot about it lol.


    2nd song is a gift to armys released at bts 10th anniversary. They always gift us a song on bts or army anniversary.


    Those weren't bts group activities. Nobody promoted them or even mentioned them. They just got released and that was that

  • That's not group activity. One song was ost song recorded ages ago that could have been released at any date. Ofc it's unprompted, i even forgot about it lol.


    2nd song is a gift to armys released at bts 10th anniversary. They always gift us a song on bts or army anniversary.


    Those weren't bts group activities. Nobody promoted them or even mentioned them. They just got released and that was that

    If you think so then okay lol :-)

    ~ Retired exol, don't ask me about that group. ~

  • The boys call it a hiatus, as does the media, so we do too. If someone else wants to have their own definition, let them :pepe-shrug: It's just semantics - and changes nothing.

    The hypocrisy of it all amuses me to no end though cause some refer to their faves as "inactive" for years even while they released albums as a group and promoted group music but wanna call unpromoted OST and fan song as activity.

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