I've been following Kpop for around 10 years and I still can't understand the whole formal/informal talk, it is just freakishly weird

  • Listen, I am from Middle East, so the concept of talking formally to your elders is not a foreign concept for me at all. But for us the age gap should be at least 5 years, usually 10 years to refer to someone formally. Of course when you talk to strangers and in business environment you always start with formal speaking at first, that's different and true to many languages I believe.


    But man, speaking to a guy a year or two older than me with honorifics? What kind of torture is that? Like we are peers man, we're literally the same gen. It is so refreshing that a lot of groups drop it nowadays, Twice all speak informally to one another and Shuhua doesn't give a fuck in general, she talks to everyone informally. But when I see other groups freaking out, getting all shocked when somebody forgets to use it, doing the "yaja time" stuff, l cringe all the time. Like relax, all time should be yaja time, yall are freaking peers, leave that confucius bs in the past where it belongs :eyeroll-pepe:

  • I agree for members with like 1-2 years of age formal should not be necessary but if age gap is quite big then formal talk kinda seems more suitable sense, it would br awkward to see 14 year old member casually talking 22 year old member with absolutely zero formality/honorifics.

  • it would br awkward to see 14 year old member casually talking 22 year old member with absolutely zero formality/honorifics.

    Are the any groups like that tho? Aren't most of them more or less of similar age? I know After School had big difference due to admission and graduation model, but who else?

  • Almost all Asian languages have this formal and informal vocab and language structures. There’s nothing wrong with it and in all depends on context and situation. It is a reflection of how well manner and social aware one is. There isn’t anything wrong with calling someone older or younger their honorifics. It’s when it’s abused - that is on the abuser - not the beliefs.

  • If I recall correctly, the formal talk isn't just used as a formalised show of respect towards elders, senior positions and others in perceived higher hierarchical positions in the circles someone moves in - but it's also used when someone's not that close with someone else and there's an emotional or social distance even if they're the same age.


    At least in several Asian countries these 2 separate grounds for formal talk occur.

  • There's some form of age-based honorifics throughout various Asian cultures and I'm sure other cultures of the world.


    Most of the time, it does get dropped when the individuals are close enough, which is why you notice Twice members don't abide by it when they talk to each other.


    It may seem exhausting to you, but it's natural to those who grew up learning these social norms. They've gotten used to it, so they don't really have to consciously think about it after a while. I think it's good to have such a system because it creates a sense of community and instills the idea of respect in people.

  • you're not supposed to understand if it's not your language

    All languages have their own nuances


    And it doesn't mean much either way

    Younger people destroy older people's lives while referring to them with honorifics

    It's just social customs

    u r m o m g a y

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