I feel like by making Queencard a hit people have created a monster😨

for once I agree with your also the queencard bit sounds like quacking ;p

lyrics not matter as long the song is catchy

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lyrics not matter as long the song is catchy

Lyrics absolutely matter, even in pop music, otherwise you'll only appeal to an audience as vapid as your music. Maybe Koreans won't care about cringey English lyrics, but the people in the English-speaking markets Kpop wants to appeal to will definitely notice & care.

feel like korea is the only country that does not give a shit about cringe lyrics to this extent

i mean fkn growl is a national hit and wolf didnt end exo's career

That happened with Tomboy's rap, she realised that people is deaf or that some countries should upgrade their English lessons.

You guys' salty tears are Soyeon's lyrics' most enjoyable outcome.

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Lyrics absolutely matter, even in pop music, otherwise you'll only appeal to an audience as vapid as your music. Maybe Koreans won't care about cringey English lyrics, but the people in the English-speaking markets Kpop wants to appeal to will definitely notice & care.

yes WAP was so poetic so it did so well

soyeon has been doing whatever the fuck she's wanted to do since debut.

Why the fuck would Queencard change her decision to do whatever she liked?

It's not like she wasn't already writing every single one of their title tracks before.

Did you think Soyeon would not do whatever the hell she wanted if Queencard didn't hit?

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yes WAP was so poetic so it did so well

What can I say? Hip-hop ain't always the most eloquent of genres. It did well, but most people who aren't fans found it distasteful or made fun of them for it, actually proving my point.

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What can I say? Hip-hop ain't always the most eloquent of genres. It did well, but most people who aren't fans found it distasteful or made fun of them for it, actually proving my point.

It's a dumb as fuck point. Cause going "some people hate thing" can be used for literally everything. There's no universal love in music and ypu'll find just as much deriders of sophsiticated lyricism as vapid fun tracks.

Shit's subjective. But fact of the matter is, pop at its most standard has never been deeply engrossing or thought provoking music.

Most people don't care as long as its catchy and you can dance to it.

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What can I say? Hip-hop ain't always the most eloquent of genres. It did well, but most people who aren't fans found it distasteful or made fun of them for it, actually proving my point.

at the end labels care how much money a song makes

wap is just an example, there are tons of nonsense songs in every language o earth that became a hit

I will say this. Kwinka is not a bad song, i'm certifying it as a bop, a 7 out of 10. The lyrics are cringey af no doubt about it, but my bone to pick with Soyeon is that she has no respect for English. She knows better, yet she continues to churn out cheese after brutally bad grammar after cheese (same with the doofus at SM and that Aespa cover that i'm still pissed about lol). And she has plenty of friends like literal Somi right down the street to ask for help in reviewing and correcting the English grammar, diction, syntax, style, and vocab.

Like imagine if Taylor Swift decided to incorporate Spanish or even Korean lyrics into one of her new songs. But she didnt give a rip about trying to do it right, she just wrote some rando gibberish and stuff she remembered from Spanish 101 or Korean 101 in college. Didnt bother to get it reviewed or proofed or edited, but just RECORDED THE SONG WITH TERRIBLE SPANISH OR KOREAN LYRICS AND PUBLISHED IT FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD TO HEAR.

The entire Internet would break. Swift would be killed by Spanish speakers, or KNETZ, and tons of locals who would be hurling every insult under the sun at her - no respect for other cultures, cultural appropriation, maybe even accusations of xenophobia or racism for not taking foreign languages seriously, etc etc. She wouldnt hear the end of it and most likely she would have had to issue a huge apology or even taken down the song.

And coming back to Soyeon and Gidle, just listen to how amazing I DO is, look at what Gidle is capable of when they get help from 88Rising. It's a 10 out of 10, it's basic af in terms of structure and way too short, but HOLY HELL the lyrics were perfect and the music was just a dream. I normally would never give a song this short and simple a 10 but i cant help it, it's almost everything i could ever wish for in a modern pop song (a guitar solo would have been even more perfect though ).

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It's a dumb as fuck point.

You sound like a WAP enjoyer.

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ypu'll find just as much deriders of sophsiticated lyricism as vapid fun tracks.

No you won't. The only people who deride sophisticated lyricism are immature or otherwise unsophisticated themselves. It's much easier, more justifiable & more commonplace to criticize vapidity, just not everyone cares to.

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But fact of the matter is, pop at its most standard has never been deeply engrossing or thought provoking music.

It can be. Does it need to be? No, but it should at least make sense. There's a difference between singing simplistic or cliche lyrics and singing actual gibberish.

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Most people don't care as long as its catchy and you can dance to it.

Most people don't listen to Kpop.

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at the end labels care how much money a song makes

making money =/= maximizing revenue

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Lyrics absolutely matter, even in pop music, otherwise you'll only appeal to an audience as vapid as your music. Maybe Koreans won't care about cringey English lyrics, but the people in the English-speaking markets Kpop wants to appeal to will definitely notice & care.

BackStreetBoys I Want it That Way begs to differ.. they knew the lyrics doesn’t make sense but they don’t care because it sounds better! And IWITW was a smash hit, proving that people in the Wngkish speaking market also don’t care as much as you think..

Note: I also would love if Soyeon has English lessons and has someone who help her with her English lyrics. But looking down on her just because she’s non native English speaker is not it.

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The Backstreet Boys' iconic hit 'I Want It That Way' has famously confusing lyrics, but there's a perfectly good reason why they don't make any sense

There's another version of the hit and it's going to change the way you hear the original song forever.

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You sound like a WAP enjoyer.

No you won't. The only people who deride sophisticated lyricism are immature or otherwise unsophisticated themselves. It's much easier, more justifiable & more commonplace to criticize vapidity, just not everyone cares to.

It can be. Does it need to be? No, but it should at least make sense. There's a difference between singing simplistic or cliche lyrics and singing actual gibberish.

Most people don't listen to Kpop.

making money =/= maximizing revenue

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Your argument reeks of pretentiousness. Tons of people have derided sophisticated lyrics for things beyond just vapidity. There's ecerything from lacking coherence, muddying the listenability of a song, making a song come across more as sermon than message.

To just go "sophisticated lyrics are infallible" shows far more lack of understanding of nuance and the building blocks of music than anything a lover of vapid music can do by just going "I think the beat sounds nice."

Also find it hilarious gow folks just think soyeon has no grasp on the concept of english grammar when there's clear prood to the contrary. Not to say she's fluent or anything, but it's pretty obvious most of her grammar choices are 100% intentional cause she knows what she thinks sounds good to a korean ear.

There's videos of her telling the others to pronounce stuff wrong knowing how it should be said correctly and opting not to cause it flows better for the song.

Songs like Latata and Hann and Uh Oh have lines of perfect grammar. She's not completely unaware of how sentences are supposed to work...

but the question is "Does that shit hit?"

And if the answer is no... why the fuck bother?