This is cultural? It seems time period based
the styling looks very european???
the styling looks very european???
the styling is 1920s flapper girls
the styling is 1920s flapper girls
yeah its western culture
yeah its western culture
and they look great !!!
That was weird.
unique but not sure about the song yet
I think it doesn't spoil anything about the song. Seems to be some kind of intro.
oh boy, here we go again 
sheeesh
oh boy, here we go again
? Is this supposed to be contempt for me voicing my opinion? lyrics that subconsciously register in my brain even without me wanting them to greatly affect my reception of songs so props to you if you can ignore that to enjoy the music but I don’t have the ability to do that and just turn off words i understand in my head especially when they’re really jarring lol poor me
This is cultural? It seems time period based
1920s
Gatsby
I mean intresting reference
The teaser images were more 1950s pin up girls but MV is 1920s
They might go through different decades?
? Is this supposed to be contempt for me voicing my opinion? lyrics that subconsciously register in my brain even without me wanting them to greatly affect my reception of songs so props to you if you can ignore that to enjoy the music but I don’t have the ability to do that and just turn off words i understand in my head especially when they’re really jarring lol poor me
Like rude and nude are just thrown there bc they rhyme but the lyrics doesn't make any sense
I'm ok with k lyrics that doesn't make sense bc I atleast wouldn't know
The English lyrics aren't the problem, it's who's writing all of them. 
No one in that company knows how to say "No" to her.
I don't know why anyone is pointing out the use of western cultural aesthetics. Welcome to Kpop? 
Like rude and nude are just thrown there bc they rhyme but the lyrics doesn't make any sense
I'm ok with k lyrics that doesn't make sense bc I atleast wouldn't know
exactly. i know for a fact that if i was fluent in korean i would have a much harder time enjoying kpop bc the nonsensical lyrics would kill me lol. there’s a reason i don’t tune in to pop songs in my mother tongue 
I said the lyrics are awkward and jarring, not jibberish. don’t put words in my mouth pls
I said the lyrics are awkward and jarring, not jibberish. don’t put words in my mouth pls
I was replying to this:
QuoteLike rude and nude are just thrown there bc they rhyme but the lyrics doesn't make any sense
I'm ok with k lyrics that doesn't make sense bc I atleast wouldn't know
Are the lyrics sound a little awkward sure but ill still give it a listen
not my culture, so I dont have a say in that
I understood the lyrics perfectly. She's saying stop being so close minded about nudity, think beyond your preconceived stereotypes about nudity and you'll end up liking it.
What i dont like is how Soyeon constantly sings lyrics that dont match what's in the subtitles. This even happened on that legendary performance she did before Tomboy came out in that MBC survival show.
The subtitled lyrics indicate that she should have sang this:
"Why you think that about nude"
Instead she ended up singing this:
"Why you think about nude"
The word "that" is really important here, without that word, it really muddies up the message that Soyeon is trying to convey here. The "that" refers to negative attitudes about nudity which is what she is railing against, if you leave it out, then the meaning changes to Soyeon asking the listener why he or she is thinking about nudity, which isnt the message.
And i have more bones to pick here. First of all, when did it become fashionable to drop the word "do" after the word "why"??? Is this now considered appropriate English? Blackpink does this all the time too, it annoys me a fuckton. It's "Why DO you think about...." not "Why you think about...".
Secondly, in these lyrics, "nude" should be replaced with "nudity".
Display MoreI understood the lyrics perfectly. She's saying stop being so close minded about nudity, think beyond your preconceived stereotypes about nudity and you'll end up liking it.
What i dont like is how Soyeon constantly sings lyrics that dont match what's in the subtitles. This even happened on that legendary performance she did before Tomboy came out in that MBC survival show.
The subtitled lyrics indicate that she should have sang this:
"Why you think that about nude"
Instead she ended up singing this:
"Why you think about nude"
The word "that" is really important here, without that word, it really muddies up the message that Soyeon is trying to convey here. The "that" refers to negative attitudes about nudity which is what she is railing against, if you leave it out, then the meaning changes to Soyeon asking the listener why he or she is thinking about nudity, which isnt the message.
And i have more bones to pick here. First of all, when did it become fashionable to drop the word "do" after the word "why"??? Is this now considered appropriate English? Blackpink does this all the time to, it annoys me a fuckton. It's "Why DO you think about...." not "Why you think about...".
Secondly, in these lyrics, "nude" should be replaced with "nudity".
two words: poetic licence 
Display MoreI understood the lyrics perfectly. She's saying stop being so close minded about nudity, think beyond your preconceived stereotypes about nudity and you'll end up liking it.
What i dont like is how Soyeon constantly sings lyrics that dont match what's in the subtitles. This even happened on that legendary performance she did before Tomboy came out in that MBC survival show.
The subtitled lyrics indicate that she should have sang this:
"Why you think that about nude"
Instead she ended up singing this:
"Why you think about nude"
The word "that" is really important here, without that word, it really muddies up the message that Soyeon is trying to convey here. The "that" refers to negative attitudes about nudity which is what she is railing against, if you leave it out, then the meaning changes to Soyeon asking the listener why he or she is thinking about nudity, which isnt the message.
And i have more bones to pick here. First of all, when did it become fashionable to drop the word "do" after the word "why"??? Is this now considered appropriate English? Blackpink does this all the time too, it annoys me a fuckton. It's "Why DO you think about...." not "Why you think about...".
Secondly, in these lyrics, "nude" should be replaced with "nudity".
They made a similar mistake in their last song, leaving a very important "A" out of the actual chorus being sung, despite it being included in the written lyrics. At first I thought it might be a purposeful double entendre, but then I heard the rest of the song... Soyeon just shouldn't be allowed to write English lyrics.
They made a similar mistake in their last song, leaving a very important "A" out of the actual chorus being sung, despite it being included in the written lyrics. At first I thought it might be a purposeful double entendre, but then I heard the rest of the song... Soyeon just shouldn't be allowed to write English lyrics.
LOL YES. It bothered me so much omg. This is Soyeon's only weakness, the bungled English might be ok for nugu groups created in some rando Seoul office basement and funded by a 10k loan from gramma, but Gidle is now a literal standard bearer and trend setter in Kpop, they're a bonafide top tier global girl group.
Cube, for the love of everything that is pure and holy, get yourself an intern with fluent English and have them barricaded inside the recording studio when Idle goes to record so that these slipups dont get permanently burned into the master track. Hell, Cube, just email the songs to me beforehand and let me comb over it syllable by syllable for free.
You guys are weird. A song doesn't have to be a peer reviewed academic work in linguistics and semantics.
You make it sound like every song in English in the entire world, including from English speaking countries, is a masterclass of English grammar and syntax. Which is obviously not the case.
So is it possible that Soyeon's English lyrics sound weird to a native speaker? Yes, I guess it is. Is it such a big deal though? Just let go, guys. Free yourself of your shackles and fly!
You guys are weird. A song doesn't have to be a peer reviewed academic work in linguistics and semantics.
You make it sound like every song in English in the entire world, including from English speaking countries, is a masterclass of English grammar and syntax. Which is obviously not the case.
So is it possible that Soyeon's English lyrics sound weird to a native speaker? Yes, I guess it is. Is it such a big deal though? Just let go, guys. Free yourself of your shackles and fly!
It might not be a big deal to you, but for me it really can ruin a song. Like Tomboy.
It might not be a big deal to you, but for me it really can ruin a song. Like Tomboy.
But that is kpop, some groups even have English speakers, yet your hear weird English lyrics in their songs.
It just happens, I felt the same way when I first started listening to Kpop, you just get used to it.
It might not be a big deal to you, but for me it really can ruin a song. Like Tomboy.
You guys are weird. A song doesn't have to be a peer reviewed academic work in linguistics and semantics.
You make it sound like every song in English in the entire world, including from English speaking countries, is a masterclass of English grammar and syntax. Which is obviously not the case.
So is it possible that Soyeon's English lyrics sound weird to a native speaker? Yes, I guess it is. Is it such a big deal though? Just let go, guys. Free yourself of your shackles and fly!
When her grammatical errors completely alter the meaning of what is being said, yes, that is a pretty big deal. There is a HUGE difference between the intended meaning of some of her lyrics and what's actually being said. Pop music isn't usually the most meaningful thing in the world, but they might as well just speak mindless gibberish if we're going to completely write off the significance of what's being said. And that's without even going into how cringey a lot of it sounds, grammatically correct or not.
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