I am confused, what's so crazy about their styling?
The MV and concept doesn't scream kpop to me either. The MV budget does seem like it cost much less than the usual kpop mv.
The song structure does seem much different than kpop. Go stream their debut song it's very good
I think a better argument would be ME:I and IS:SUE, but I think those groups were formed from a produced survival show.
I agree. None of this should've been aired out like dirty laundry. MHJ shouldn't have gone on the emotional defense either, as look now, it hasn't exactly work in her favour. I agree with Hybe announcing the audit, as it would've been to the shareholder's benefit, instead of hiding it. However, everything since has been an absolute mess. Leaking this, articles about that. It's utterly childish from both sides.
I'm struggling to remember what ppl found similar to NewJeans. Was it the concept of the ILLIT girls with black braided hair? I know ppl have mocked MHJ over the black hair for ages, but I think it was the concept as a whole as it was a bit similar to Ditto?
Hybe has too many labels without a cohesive release schedule, which they need. One week you could have one label releasing music from one of their groups, and another label releasing music from one of their groups the next. There really should be fewer labels, with labels trying to create groups on a similar level to BTS and their legacy, IMHO.
they were being compared before the debut. You can also find many YouTube videos where people were comparing magnetic to different NJZ songs. I think the major issue is people were doing lazy comparisons to NJZ. I don't think their songs sound like NJZ and some of them sounded more similar to Loona than NJZ. Again, I feel the issue is too soon because debuting a group 2 years apart and not having a vastly different concept is dangerous imo.
I completely agree with you on everything you've just said. I would say, however, that IMO MHJ should've complained more so over the styling of Lucky Girl Syndrome, as that is closer in style to NewJeans than Magnetic, which I found to be a stretch. IIRC, she complained about the sound of Magnetic, too, which I feel she shouldn't have waded into and left it to 250 and FRNK to put forward a case against Belift, or the producers behind Magnetic.
Agreed, she went about it the wrong way. However, none of this should have been public. I am sure there's label fighting that's kept in door, but Hybe decided to air it out, which is why we are here today.
I agree that magnetic has a different sound, but it didn't stop people from comparing it to NewJeans. The narrative has shifted of course but when Magnetic initially released many were comparing it and the group to NewJeans. Personally, I feel Hybe played a dangerous game debuting them too soon since they're from the some parent company. I think if they went with a bit different presentation some of the early confusion wouldn't happen.
This all should've been kept in-house and didn't need to escalate this far. I see why MHJ and NJZ parents had issues with how things went down. It's just that Hybe is debuting too many groups too soon and this is one of the blowbacks of doing that
Display MoreI have a question for neutral people, if you're a Hybe stan I don't give a fuck about your opinion and bunnies might obviously be biased because we're supporting NJZ, so please I want some more opinions.
What do you think the girls should have done after MHJ's dismissal? I see MANY people saying the girls are just doing this because of MHJ, which is obviously not true, but I want more arguments.
We know (facts, not opinions) that Hybe told them they were going to put them on a 18 months hiatus, which would probably mean to put them in dungeon until 2026, give them a comeback and put them in dungeon again, completely ruining their careers or, in the most positive situation, milking a bit their fans with some tours while trying to keep them away from the focus to make their public presence decrease as the new CEO of Hybe said.
Also, it's not just about MHJ. All the old Ador team were kicked out or left the company. Not just the people handling everything but the creatives, dance team that worked with them etc etc. What people were replacing them? People put by Hybe from the other labels. Who are these people? People that were receiving Hybe's internal documents exposed in the national assembly months ago, saying things such as how they should erase NJ, the same people that made Belift's video targetting them, the same people from SouMu that might have leaked their predebut videos... They were left alone in the company with people that from their point of view were completely impossible to trust.
Is NJZ going to win the legal battle? I don't have any fucking idea. Honestly I thought that with the facts we know they were going to, but it seems the judge doesn't agree with me. Hybe has more power, has more money, has more connections and this is like living in hell. OF COURSE THE GIRLS DIDN'T WANT ALL THIS TO HAPPEN but what were the other options? To stay there in the company full of people that despise them for 5 years with 1 comeback like they did with Fromis_9? And the Fromis girls didn't even have any problem with the company but it's obvious there were many people in Hybe that wanted to bring NJ down.
I have no idea what will be the outcome of all this but as a fan I can't be more proud of the girls risking everything for doing what they think it's right. I'm hoping for a happy ending but even if this ends in a disaster I'm going to support them till the end, and I find really funny that people that shouldn't even care about the girls are everywhere saying how they "ruined their career", soooo easy to say it now. We've had cases in Kpop like TVXQ, Jessica Jung, Loona or Fifty fifty and it seems we've learnt nothing. I really have no idea how the whole Kpop community isn't rooting for the girls right now, I'm not saying everybody should turn into fans but at least hope for the best for them instead of encourage the hate.
I think they were doomed either way because a lot of Hybe moves are ego driven.
- I hate bringing them up but they debuted Illit too soon. I know their sounds are different but aesthetically speaking it seems odd to debut them 2 years after NJZ. You never see a company release a group that is somewhat similar so soon. There was bound to be trouble for doing that. I know people love revisionist history but many were confusing Illit for NJZ. I think Hybe was flying too close to the sun with that one
- Original Ador staff leaving one by one was a sign that things are falling apart. NJZ most likely built a relationship with the staff and seeing it being taken over by Hybe most likely caused a negative atmosphere
- Hybe reports showed they weren't too fond of the group. So, who really knows how well they would have treated them
- Hybe was planning to sideline them for 1.5 years, and being on that big of a break isn't wise imo
- MHJ is a polarizing figure but it seems she had a vision for the group and executed it well. Booting her was always going to be messy. However, I think if she built a good foundation, then another creative director could have taken over without them missing a step.
Overall, I think both parties shouldn't allowed it to go this far because it affected 3 groups. Imo Hybe and NJZ should have came to an agreement to allow NJZ to go independent but Hybe gets a cut in revenue. Maybe have Hybe handle stuff like distribution, some activities, and some aspects of touring. I think that would have been a decent compromise for both parties. I don't think going scorched earth helped anybody, but it's best to wait for the court's decision in early April.
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Why can't people be honest about any aspect of these cases?
So, did she lose base on her rant on IG?
Their comeback is very good , and they continue to have strong US numbers.
I wouldn't read too much into their sales. The first comeback is more important because that will determine if they're starting off with a stable fan base.
The trade off of keeping survival groups going isn't worth it imo.
We most likely don't see members form their own identity, make music they want to make or pursue acting. The reality is most join survival shows for exposure and to open doors in the entertainment industry. Sure, it doesn't work out for all. I highly doubt Sejeong, Chungha and even Somi would trade their freedom to be shackled by a group.
Even if you look at a group like iz*one. Jo Yuri and Hyewon wouldn't have the chance to pursue acting. Then the other members that continued to be idols wouldn't be able to form their own identity and not evolve as an idol. I don't think certain members in this group would be as big as they are today if they stayed in a group. So, it was beneficial for them not to extend their deal
Kep1er is an example of a survival group that stayed together. They didn't have the popularity of the other 2 groups, so it made sense to stay together. I assume if they had close to the popularity of the other 2 groups they most likely would've disbanded and did their own thing.
Interesting
I remember the song took slower to catch on but it's nice to see they have a hit. I like when songs have longevity because it allows us to digest music better because less noise. I remember people were doing lazy takes of Aespa copying Brat 
I think this is a global music industry trend. It makes sense that people are spending less on albums because economy isn't healthy.
I slowed down on album purchases, and mainly only buy my favorites.
I wasn't expecting that. This group does feel unique but I am unsure about the rap verses. I liked the pre-chorus and the chorus is catchy. I will have to go blop because I don't think the rap section was good but the other parts of the song sounded much better
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Would be hilarious if they target reddit. That place has been awful towards those girls. They spend all of their energy hating them and saying awful things.
Nice to hear the high quality version of it. The song sounds much better and the performance has a lot of energy.
we need the studio version on streaming ASAP!
What in the world is an "LGBT version" LMAOOOO
but anyways, it should be a better bardcore ver
No clue what a LGBT version is. I remember Le Sserafim had a vogue version of Crazy that featured a popular person in the ballroom scene. I think that version did make some noise
Eng ver
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It most likely is an English version. I just feel this should have happened months ago. I guess SM was surprised about the longevity of the song, so they're making an English version.
The song sounded good and it's hard to fully judge a song without hearing the studio version. I thought the performance was good, and I need that song in studio quality. I hope everything is okay for them because I have no clue what's next for them.
I will just say one thing, but I find it funny the hate on other forums doesn't translate to real life. They had over 1 million people watching online and an arena that fully supported them . It's nice for them to experience that, and know they have fans supporting them.
The girls have great taste in music
Complex really dropped the ball by not streaming this. 1m and counting are watching
