Posts by StanGIDLE

Quote from tetetete

Yes true

Hybe finds it easier to shelve groups selling less albums while some grps thrive in smaller companies with sales in that range

I think dreamcatcher sells similar to fromis9 but can tour better and are expected to last for a long time

Yeah, DC sells a bit less than Fromis_9, but a big 4 company you can't be selling close to a group like dreamcatcher. Fromis_9 sold a bit less than a group like Stayc and when you're in a big 4 company they expect at minimum 500k units every release. Business wise they see more risk investing in fromis_9 then to create a new group. The girl group they created this year sold 500K+ releases for both of their releases. It's why it's easy for them to move on.

I think the trickier part about this situation if they actually marketed them and put an effort would that push allow them to hit 500K units/release? I think it might have been possible because they make good music and have talented members, but I am unsure if they have that many international fans to give them the push to hit 500k units .

Yeah, I think this group would have been better off being in a non big 4 company and have them focus their energy on them like the dreamcatcher company does for DC. They would have been able to get similar results and more opportunities because Hybe doesn't see much investing in them when they have other groups that can guarantee results they desire.

Very good cover. I love her voice, and I hope Cube give Lightsum an actual comeback in 2025

Quote from 0ppar

she chose the thrust herself into the spotlight

This is not the first time that people criticized her. It seems there's always something that they try to attack her for. That part I don't understand. I guess she choose the spotlight with that comment. However, I rather see an idol stand for what they believe in than to see them making a cowardly comment they don't believe in.

Quote from tetetete

I dont get it

Kpop stans be throwing hissy fits like gfriend, fromis9 etc are their fave groups but where do these fans go when its time to buy albums

fromis9 still sold like 100k-200k albums/comeback at their peak but i don't think gfriend ever touched 100k albums

Both groups had pretty good sales, but the issue is a company like Hybe wants more sales. I guess being a part of a big 4 company they expect 500k+ sales and not 100k-200k total sales. those numbers are good for most company, but if you're in a big 4 company they're expecting 500k+ and both groups couldn't achieve that.

Their fans do support their projects, but it's somewhat the chicken and the egg situation. For example, Fromis 9 could've had more sales if Hybe/Pledis supported them and actually marketed them. If Fromis 9 got a similar push as Le Sserafim and Illit, Then they had a good chance in possibly reaching the expected 500k sales needed for a big 4 company.

I do agree somewhat about your point about stans getting angry but not showing up. I think that happens more with Nugus. Some of my favourite groups have vocal people on twitter, but nobody shows up when they have a comeback.

Why do they always pick on her? She seems like such a nice person and is working hard on her solo career. Also, are these people insane for comparing survival show rigging scandal to a government overstepping by declaring martial law. Her and other idols should be able to speak up on issues if they feel they want a voice.

Lastly, people might not like when celebrities speak out, but their voices can be powerful and its nice to see her and others use their voice for good

I think they had some issues when their CEO tried to distance themselves from kpop by making these remarks

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Just because we are working with Korean producers don’t mean the group is working with a Korean label.
Everyone is Japanese. It isn’t like K-Pop. It’s more like American.
I am emphatically saying everyone is Japanese.
We worked with Korean producers, but we just used Korean producers. All rights belong to Avex."

Why do we have to lose to Koreans? The Japanese can do it also.
Even Koreans sent a singer like BoA to Japan to mimic us.
Since we were on the losing side, we asked to work with Korean producers, and we did it.

— Matsuura Masato

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I think those remarks stalled some of their progress in Korea. I believe they have recovered from that, but that might be a major reason why they aren't getting recognition in some circles

Talent wise they're one of the most talented group, and their singing line and rap line is much better than most kpop groups. They must have a different training system than the standard kpop training because they're well rounded in all areas . I think them working with kpop, american rap and r&b trainers and producers helps them a lot in being well rounded.

Their entire discography is worth a listen because they have so many great songs. They're also going to get a lot of recognition next year when they perform at Coachella.

This was heartbreaking to read, and I hope the group especially the one that attempted suicide gets justice. I haven't read through comments, but I hope people are not stan warring this very serious topic. Sad part is JYP is most likely not the only company doing this nonsense and there needs to be laws in place to protect idols. I am not too familiar with group because I didn't watch the show, but I know the group had mostly minors and to see all of this happen to them just doesn't feel right. It just feels everybody around them failed them.

Also, I would like to point out that JYPE hasn't learned anything because we've all heard stories about Twice forced to do extreme dieting. I remember they had Momo on an ice cube diet. Then there was also other stuff caught with Itzy where there is signs of them most likely doing that. Sadly, they haven't learned anything and thought they could get away with doing this to a global group with mostly minors.

Lastly, I don't see a boycott happening because their groups are too popular, but hopefully this a wakeup call for fans not to stan companies. I have followed kpop for around 8 years, and I have learned that majority of these companies are awful. This is why kpop is in trouble trying to globalize because once American and uk media hears about the norm they'll call them out for how insane things are.

She doesn't need much buzz at the moment because her album doesn't release until February 25th. She will have a proper promotional cycle in January to build hype for the album. Plus, she will get extra promotion while promoting White Lotus, so she's probably just relaxing and enjoying the holidays

I love gidle, but Twice are legends. gidle is lowkey one of the best 4th gen group, but their hits don't have a stronger impact than Twice's hits.

Idle choreography is simple, but they have stage presence. Also, it helps that they sing live and have strong vocalists. At the moment they're ahead of the other groups

I think there's potential with Le Sserafim because choreography wise they're ahead of the other 4. However, they need to figure out selecting songs that work for them when performing live. I think that's how some of their recent issues happened. Kazuha is the dark horse to fix some of their issues when singing live

Aespa does seem well rounded these days and each member gets their time to shine. I think they just need to sing live more because whenever I watch them they're usually lip syncing. Maybe it's bad luck of watching certain performances on YouTube.

Ive seems most improved from where they were at last year. I enjoy watching Yujin perform and I think Wonyoung improved a lot. Liz vocals are amazing and she's always giving it her all. I am just happy the group is no longer Wonyoung and friends and they each get their time to shine

I haven't watched many of NewJeans performances to form a solid opinion of them. From what I have seen it seems a bit mixed. Some of their earlier performances it seemed they weren't that confident. However, they seemed to have improved when I've watched their recent stuff. The highlight for the group for me is Hanni. I think she's well rounded and helps their performances a lot. I could be wrong about some of these stuff because I haven't watched many of their performances.

Finally, I will say too bad this is just top 5 GGs because Nmixx imo are the best overall performers

It's decent, but I don't think it compares to the other pop artists albums. I think it gets repetitive, but I did like the stretch between toxic till the end to gameboy. I felt she did better with the songs that were supposed to be fun like apt, drink or coffee, and gameboy. Happy for her, and I saved some songs to my playlist

Quote from David33

I'm happy, but did I miss something? I thought she already debuted as a soloist. Or that PINK song was a CF?

It was a CF for a drink

She's done some OSTs, but this will be her first real solo

I don't think anybody should use Gaeun's situation as ammo for whataboutism.

Is MHJ pedo ? I don't know, but she does seem very weird based on some of the stuff we read about. I think some of the stuff MHJ has done is stuff that happens in the industry, but it's easier to attack a woman for it.

I don't think MHJ is a saint, and I have no clue who is best for NJ. I think she's the lesser of 2 evils, and is talented for having an ear and creating the group.

I think it's a mix of things. The elephant in the room is there is a good portion of kpop fans that liked their music better when they were 6. They did a lot of teases about Soojin, and we have had Soyeon mention her last week. So many were hoping for them to leave Cube and bring back Soojin.

Other than OT6 talks they have been saying for awhile that Cube is a bad company and always throwing shade at them. So, many thought they were going to leave when they had the chance to.

In reality, Cube had some power in Negations due to owning the name and brand. Plus, they most likely looked at other options and realized better to stay at Cube and negotiate better terms

The reasons above is why many were interested if they were going to renew. They most likely made the best decision for the 5 of them. I assume they have much better deals now because Cube doesn't have many other groups to depend on

I thought their sales and status were improving. I think they played a dangerous game focusing on one idol more than the others. I think this might be it for most of them. I could see Jeewon possibly getting signed somewhere

I am so happy! I have been waiting for her solo for years. She's so talented and she's been working hard every comeback writing and producing songs for Idle. She has been involved in some of their best b-sides

I have always felt them dissing Cube was an inside joke to stir things up. Cube was always their best option if you wanted them to remain as a group. It would be tough to rebrand since they don’t own their name . 4/5 members could go solo, but they’re better off staying with cube who owns the brand and negotiate terms in deal for solo endeavours

What I don’t like is Soyeon mentioning Soojin the way she did because it brought unnecessary drama for all. Other than that I am happy we get to hear them as a group and we need a Minnie solo asap

Quote from bartkun

my take on situation is that they will continue as a group in different agency

the question is if all members will do it, or bigger part of line up

I feel this might be difficult due to the logistics of managing 8 members . I guess the advantage is group is known and potential of moving 100k units. I am unsure if they will all be back but it sucks to end on the high of supersonic

They don't want to, but they have to debut more girl groups.

Unsure how to feel. Hybe neglected a group that could have been big . So, it's good that their leaving them, but unsure if a company will take on 8 idols. I fear they might be too large of a group to manage, but they're popular, so maybe somebody takes a chance.