And guys, I think Hanni will apply for, or has already applied for, an F5 visa under F5-1. She meets all the requirements and I believe will easily approved.
And this news comes out 'coincidentally' right after the sajaegi news about BigHit resurfaces. As always, something about Nj or the members suddenly fills the news instead everytime something happens to that company.
Ador's move is cruel and nothing to praise. It's a disgusting tactic, using the media to essentially ruin and threaten the girls. The company keep releasing unnecessary public comments about the girls to 'silently' attack them and damage their reputations.
However, no one should worry. We've seen this before. Vivi from Loona was able to adjust her visa before filing her lawsuit, despite BBC trying similar tactics with her. I believe Hanni and her lawyer have already figured this out.
Yes I agree with all that you have said. What I am pointing out is that - these type of cases usually go to court! Despite what one side says vs the other etc. Other users were saying I don’t understand that there were ways to break contract without going to court. It’s not possible in a situation when one side doesn’t agree to the termination.
Since they disagree - they have to use the court to resolve it.
Some people here need to chill because while I’m all for supporting the girls, I actually get where this doubts are coming from. It's a valid concerns yall. I mean, yes court isn’t always necessary for contract termination, it’s only needed if one party disagrees. But in this case, it’s still a pretty risky gamble for the girls because we all know ador will fight back.
On one hand, if the court rules the contract is legally terminated, it would be a perfect and smart move, and could be a game-changer for the industry. It would be up to ador if they want to sue the girls for termination fees. The legal process might take years, but at least the girls would be free from the company, able to continue their careers, or even redebut as a new group while fighting for their IP. That's the perfect scenarios ever and we all want that.
Yet, on the other hand, if the court decides the contract wasn’t legally terminated, it could be a disaster. The girls might have to fulfill their contract or face legal consequences, like paying damages to ador. They could end up stuck with the company until a settlement or renegotiation happens. And what's the most important part here is if this happens, they need to coming back to ador first no matter what while determining their next legal action. Imagine how awkward it would be for the girls to go back to hybe while filed for the injunction, and so on, after everything that happened!
And yup, even if the girls are ready to pay the termination fees, it’ll still take time to resolve, and they’ll have to continue working with the company until everything is settle.
So, it's still a very risky move no matter what, and I understand why many are still unsure about the girls' decision. The doubt is valid until the court's decision comes out.
For the longest time, AKP forum has been more about charts than music. It should be renamed to allkcharts.
These 5th gen groups aren’t coming anywhere close to the top groups of 4th gen, which I assume would be NewJeans, aespa, and (G)I-DLE, so a lot of AKP users aren’t interested.
Once a 5th-gen group gets a viral song going like “Cupid,” then they’ll hype the group up even if they didn’t care for the song in the first place.
I agree with some parts but also disagree with others. While discussions about charts are obviously the most interesting, that’s not my main point. It's the lack of discussion and interest about them in general. I'm not expecting non fans to entering the fans focus threads about these groups.
It's mostly silent outside of their comeback period. I mean, we see the enthusiasm when these groups debut, but it dies so quickly. This is my biggest why actually. If it’s about charts, we will see many dumpster fires about the recent Illit comeback because, as you said, charts are Akp’s favorite topic. The group basically had the biggest debut song ever in Kpop internationally while doing extremely well in Korea too. While many see their comeback as underperforming, there isn’t much reaction here for some reason. There are little to no discussions comparing Baemon’s Spotify numbers with them either, again if it's about charts since both groups numbers there are not bad at all. What’s worse than bad reactions is no reaction at all. I think even Nmixx and Kep1er received more attention and discussion than them in their first year. Xiaoting was the main event here, and Akp users have weird love-hate. relationship with Sullyoon.
Because 4th gen is still more interesting and is still thriving
Not to disagree, but I don’t think it matters much. When the early 4th gen girl groups debuted, 3rd gen was still going strong and more interesting. Mamamoo dropped Hip and Starry Night, gfriend almost got a PAK in 2018, bp released their biggest hits, Omg had their revival, rv going really strong on the charts, and twice was still the Korean darling.
Back when it was just gidle, izone, and itzy, the hype here was insane. Then aespa debuted oy added fuel to the fire. The everyday fanwars, endless threads, and enthusiasm honestly feel unreal looking back. And don’t even get me started on how messy this site was during 2022–2023 with all the 4th gen newcomers. As you guys said, kpop fans loves shiny new girl groups.
Yet, the 5th gen doesn’t seem to get the same reaction as the newcomers, which is pretty weird, to be honest. (Arguably, it’s not just here, even in Korea for the first time the reaction to big company girl groups is really weak up until now. Even nmixx got way more attention back then 😭) The hype died off so fast. Nobody even bothers to rage bait about these groups anymore, and it’s not like none of them doing well.
Sorry, but this caught me off guard. The hype for gg here is usually at its peak during a group’s first or second year after debut. So, them being new is not the answer. Like the threads about them mostly flop (sorry not sorry). It’s just suprised me to see that 'tradition' change.
I'm sorry, but I've never seen him call out his fandom for slut-shaming women, let alone do something significant, like helping the campaign to stop violence against women. I don't understand why a women's organization like this would feel the need to give an award to a man for literally doing the bare minimum. For clout chasing, I guess. Because no way they be like- oh, he studied some women’s rights, must be a great man! When it’s just simply about respecting another human being, which should come from basic logic.
Is this RM's fault? No, he’s just a slave to his company like other idols, so I don’t expect him to speak out or call out his fans for hurting or being disgusting toward other women. That's literally their source of money coming from. But what pisses me off that fans hype things like this so much that organizations use it for attention, which just lowers the bar even further as men are considering on great level just for doing nothing.
After they offered her the producer position again, I haven’t seen any updates about it. That employee was super vocal about the issue and would always post about Mhj whenever something happened at hybe, but now they're suddenly gone just like that? What happened? Where’s the investigation that hybe promised us, and that the ceo of ador wanted to reopen? It’s been 7 months, there should be some progress, but nothing’s happening. No updates, no new info, nothing. Honestly, I’m starting to doubt it even happened because the silence is so loud. They still haven’t gotten Mhj arrested for this, even though it would be easy to prove if those text messages are real.
I’m all for blaming Mhj and dragging her for defending the predator. As a human being and a woman myself, there’s no way I would support something as disgusting as that. But if hybe s faking the case and using the SA accusations as a media play against Mhj, that’s just really low even for them. I mean, it looks like they’re just trying to make it blow up to tarnish Mhj’s name. Because look, where is the progress on the case right now? It even seems like they never even accused her of that. If it’s just their media play and they’re using a very serious issue like this to bring someone down, I honestly hope hybe rots in hell.
Display MoreAdore has now made a statement:
'We regret that we planned and held a press conference to terminate our exclusive contract without sufficient review, even before receiving a response to the certified mail.
Adore, a party to the exclusive contract, did not breach the contract, and unilaterally claiming that trust was broken cannot be grounds for termination.
The exclusive contract between Adore and the members of New Jeans is still valid. Therefore, we hope that you will continue to work with Adore in the future as you have done so far.
We have requested to meet with the artists several times, but it has not been possible. We hope that we can meet with an open mind and have a sincere conversation even now.
Adore will do its best to support the activities of its artists, New Jeans, and help them grow further as global artists.'
LMAO lets see what happens at midnight
How are they unable to meet Nj when the girls are still doing their schedules like usual unlike 50/50? The girls are literally in the same building as them and not going anywhere. As the ones managing their schedule, how is Ador unable to meet them? If you’re that desperate to make things better and wanna talk with the members, you know well where to find them. Where’s the logic here?
But a court will actually have to say whether there are actual proof of this breach. It doesn’t work like just because the girls say there was it is. If it were like that groups would be leaving their labels all the time lolol
I don’t think you need to worry about that. They don’t need some random Bts stans from Akp that not even understand how laws works in Korea telling them what move is smart to take. They’ve got lawyers to advise and guide them. And every contract is different as the person above said, the girls surely know what’s in theirs and what their rights are.
Different situations. It all depends on how the contract was drafted and whilst we've been getting snippets of Newjeans', we don't have everyone elses. My guess is the majority of kpop contracts allow idols to 'seek' termination, i.e file an injunction, but if the leaked contract is real, Newjeans' directly gives them the right to terminate and the only point of contention is if they need to pay a penalty.
I see, this makes more sense. That means they're free now, with no injunction or anything. They can literally start a new group or join a new company right away if they want. The only dispute will be about the termination fees if Ador challenge them (or they the one doing that) and their IP rights. This should be the new norm in every idol's contract. It's more humane and gives the artist more power over their contract, not only benefit the company.
No they are not, the court either has to side with them or they must pay the fees
I'm curious about this because it's interesting that they announced their contract will definitely terminate at midnight. In other cases, like Loona and Omega X or even 50/50, they couldn't come to public like this and had to wait for an injunction and other legal steps before making a confirmation announcement that they're free from their company. They can't do it before that.
This is what haerin herself said
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Her answer is still pretty vague tho. Do they think they don’t have to pay the fees but still need to go to court? Or are they actually free now, without needing an injunction like Loona had to go through?
I know right. Everyone’s underestimating them but I keep having a feeling IZNA will end up being the dark horse of 5th Gen
People are underestimating them because of their company. When Kepler debuted, they broke the record for the highest first-day debut album sales for a girl group not only for their generation, but wake1 completely wasted their potential. Their debut album sales were even higher than ive and nmixx back then, that’s how huge their debut was. Even zb1 is also slowly to lose their hype, and their sales just keep dropping.
I know Izna’s debut will be great, but I’m really worried about how wake1 will handle them. Just looking at how they managed their first permanent group before, TO1, I just hope the girls won’t at least be treated that badly. The company’s already showing how sloppy they are, and the girls haven’t even debuted yet. So, I can only pray that wake1 learns from their past mistakes and does better this time with Izna.
I will, but only if you stay on topic and let people share their opinions freely too without fighting them over what they feel. No, you don't have the right to respond to other people's opinions on topics like this when you're the one asking for them. You might as well just say, "PLEASE WRITE ONLY POSITIVE OPINIONS ABOUT LE SSERAFIM" as a tittle if you can't handle the bitter truth. People expressing their dislike for certain members' vocals or the group's songs not a shade or blantly discrediting them for no reason, people just didn't like them and it's okay. Look at how other users create threads like this, the OP doesn't interfere with people's opinions because they're ready to read all critism about their group when they decided to post these kind of thread. If you're a weak, just don't do it.
i dont know about laws are still laws part. This is real world with real evil people/corporation not a light novel where MC always get what they want. And hybe obv has peoples in the Gov more than MHJ. They can stop BPxGaga to perform in the white house eventho the first lady of USA asked for it more than 3 times.
From the pov of people who don't side with either hybe or mhj, all i can say after that is goodluck.
Who said this isn’t reality? From the beginning, people kept insisting that Mhj would lose to Hybe, but she won her injunction. Even in the second injunction, she didn’t lose, it was dismissed simply because the court lacked of authority to intervene in Ador’s shareholder matters. At least hybe should bribe the court in the very early stage to save us from these 7 months headache.
Yes, corruption could still come into play in the future, and Hybe’s political influence might allow them to manipulate the system behind the scenes and make Nj lose. But they can't touch what's clearly written on the contract where Nj can pay for their termination fee to free from the company. What they can do is to inflate the amount Nj might need to repay to sabotage the girls.
And about the White House situation, is there any proof that Hybe was behind it, or is it just a rumor? Not to defend them, but considering how many men in Korea are incels and misogynistic, the real reason might simply be that they didn’t want a group of woman representing them in a huge country events like that and add Lisa being a Thai too into that.
Display Moreyou comparing loona company to hybe? thats crazy....
I don't think you can just finish this case with few months, if it's possible NJ and MHJ already done that. The case was like what, april? we are at the end of the year and still 0 court case and BTS will comeback soon it will boost Hybe image.
And hybe just can say "you can keep the penalty money for yourself, let's fulfill the 7 years contract. to the dungeon there you go". it's not like hybe don't like money, but they can recoup the money from BTS comeback and tour next year. But to bury top group that can hinder LSF, illit and your next GG?.
You underestimate what Hybe can do with their money, power and connection.
Yes, I am, because laws are still laws. An injunction usually only takes months to maintain the status quo and prevent harm while a case is being decided. It’s always there to protect the less powerful party. What takes years is the actual contract termination. Even now, I believe some Loona members still haven't fully gotten out of their contract with Bbc. And Hybe can’t refuse Nj's termination fees if it’s stated in their contract that allows termination upon payment of a fee. From how Mhn talked about this before, and how Hybe has mediaplays using the amount of the fees to scare the Nj members, I guess that’s what’s written in their contract.
I didn’t underestimate Hybe’s power as a corporate, but I’m talking about the law. They can try dragging it out, who’s to say they can’t, but there’s also proof that courts usually side with idols when the company is always the more powerful one. Idols are not views as an employees actually make it much easier for them in the court tbh.
I also forgot to mention that MHJ and NJ’s actions right now are to avoid being seen as traitors like 50/50, so Hybe doesn’t gain the upper hand. That’s why it’s taking them longer to decide on terminating their contracts. Now, they have chance to leave without paying a cent.
They just need to win the injunction, which usually only takes a few months to get the results, and the girls can continue their careers. It’s kind of like how the loona members signed with a new company before their old contracts were officially terminated by the court. If they lose, I think they’ll probably just choose to pay the penalty by then.
