Posts by Flovell

Both groups are dropping songs this March. Lsf's international performances improved a lot last year, and with people moving on from the vocal controversy, I think they’ll do well in Korea too. They have Hybe’s full support, so there’s no way Bsh will let them flop. The marketing budget for this comeback will be massive to ensure it’s a hit. They have everything going for them. What could possibly go wrong? Nothing.

Meanwhile, NJ lost all their privileges from big backing, unlimited budget, company stan support, and even their group name and discography for now. They have fans, but not a massive guaranteed-success fanbase like Bts or Bp. Like this feud happened before they can even celebrated their 2nd year anniversary. Their main strength now is in Korea and Japan, but even last year, despite a strong start on Melon (if I'm not mistaken), their longevity wasn’t great. None of their new songs stand out like Ditto, Hype Boy, and Super Shy.

Internationally, their results have declined, and losing company stan support hurt them A LOT. Their old catalog kept them on top of Spotify overall, but they’ve lost that too. So, if this new songs performance is as weak as their previous cb, they basically have no back up to help them maintain their position and streams anymore. They’re basically starting from scratch.

Honestly, NJ is in a tougher spot to maintain their status as the top gg, while Lsf has nowhere to go but up. Without competition in Hybe anymore, Lsf has all the support, attention and resources, while NJ now has to prove if their previous success was really their own or mainly contributed by Hybe’s backing.

I know the first day sales alone aren't the best metric to judge overall sales performance. However, I still don't understand why it's stuck at 30K+ like, how?

Also, the fact that no one is updating her sales numbers, none from kpop charts accounts on twitter and not even fans, is just really weird. I'm sorry, but it just feels off. Is there something I don't know?

Could there be a shipment issue? Did Hanteo didn't count all her international sales for some reason? Are people waiting for another version or something big that I don’t know about? Or is her company just incompetent at handling her album shipping? There has to be some explanation for why her first day sales are this low because we all know there's no way she actually sold this little.

Since it's Friday, that might have affected her sales to some degree, but still, this just feels weird.

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So this was big announcement?

I thought we would get smth bigger like songs, album.

Anyways good for them

There was no big announcement at all—fans just assumed something would drop on Feb 18 because of one simple reply, but girly just wishing tomorrow's gonna be a good day.

And yup we're clown

I'm telling you, they’re gonna be the representative of non-Big 4 group of and become one of the leader of their generation just like Ive and Gidle. No matter what, they’re already a hot topic on Korean forums just because of their visuals, and their pre-release song? Actually so good, it’s grabbing everyone’s attention. Plus, they’re from Starship, which isn’t a small company at all, and with Ive as their seniors, they’re starting with a good enough following. Obviously not as massive as Big 4 groups, but definitely enough to make waves.

And if their debut song is as good as past Starship girl group debuts, they’re gonna blow up fast. I can totally see them becoming a household name in Korea, just like Ive and Sistar. Say what you want about Starship, but they know how to make banger girl group songs.

Most importantly here is the hype for them is real and here. They're the new talk of the town which is a good sign for them. I’m honestly so excited for this! We’re about to witness a new non-Big 4 queen rise and shake up the industry!

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I agree with you on this but their promotion and management skills become really shabby in the long run.

Thats honestly why I'm scared for AESPA. I really hope SM will continue pay attention to AESPA even after H2H debuts

They're from different divisions , so I think it's less likely that Aespa will be affected by this. At least let's hope so

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Aespa is not an "older group." Just give it a few years. I promise you won't be singing SM's praises.

Cringe...

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Also kpop stans have been asking for a new big kpop group that does a cute concept like Girls Gen and Twice!

And the members were the most talented among 27 other girls during their trainee period! So no doubt they’ll be very talented

It's hard to find groups with a cute concept in Kpop nowadays, even among nugus! We need a representative to bring that era back.

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Yes, I left it out deliberately and no it's not your fault.

All jokes aside, Aespa proves that SM knows how to promote and market a group (outside of their debut era) when they actually try—and they did it right after that old man was out. Looks like LSM’s tradition of benching older groups to push the new ones is slowly fading.

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Wellllll...

Did you purposely leave out the 'during their debut' part? But yeah, I guess it's my fault for mistakenly putting a comma there that make some people unable to process the whole sentence properly

Just like BabyMonster, this group is pretty much guaranteed to have massive social media engagement, high Yt views, and strong Spotify streams. They’ve got a SEA member from a country that are super active online and known for their streaming power. (Not throwing shade or anything before anyone starts). Honestly, they might even do better since Indonesia has a bigger population than Thailand. So yeah, streams and views won’t be a problem at all.

And in Korea? They’re set. SM has never flopped when it comes to debuting girl groups. Even Riize blew up despite all the controversies. The company just knows how to promote their groups, during their debut, and make sure they grab everyone’s attention. The industry is basically their playground. They also have a talent for picking members with insane star power and turning them into the next big thing. SM knows exactly how to push that "It" girl/boy image that people obbessed with. Plus, they always make sure their groups get the spotlight they need to stand out.

And most importantly, I just know these girls are talented af. That's something you can easily expect from SM.

With all that, I just know H2H’s debut is gonna be huge. They checked all the boxes.

TLDR:

Some people really need to get it—it’s been like 10–11 months now, and this megathread is for Tokkis to update each other about the case. So, I don’t get why people who aren’t fans of Nj or straight-up dislike the fandom keep coming here just to argue even after all this months. Like, why? Are you that lonely or bored? Do you have nothing better to do than turn this into your form of entertainment?

Your faves didn’t have to deal with the issues Nj is facing right now. Your fandom don’t know either what it feels like for us, watching our girls go through all this when they’re not even two years into their careers. A few months ago, everyone—and I mean *everyone*—was hating on Nj, calling the girls ungrateful and stupid. AND THOSE PEOPLE HERE NOW CALLING TOKKI AS TOXIC AS HYBE STANS AND PLAYING VICTIMS 🤦‍♀️... And now that more information is coming out about how messed up hybe ’s side is, their stans still choose to hate on Nj. They spread fake rumors, report Hanni to the government to try to get her deported, and even share deepfakes of the girls to 'celebrate' anything bad things happen to the girls. Some of these people are literally older women with grandchildren the same age as the members. And yet, you’re blaming us for being defensive? Did Tokkis ever stoop to that level?

Our fandom isn’t big. We don’t have the power to control social media narratives. We didn't really have many safe space to update each other about Nj without being swarmed by hate comments, downvotes, or people cursing us and the girls out. Yet, even this small space, you can’t leave alone? Just go to Reddit—people won’t argue with you there or to Twitter, where you can even say 'Fuck NewJeans” or make disgusting comments about them, and you’ll get tons of likes. Like, where else I can go without seeing fans of hybe groups trying to insert their opinions on Nj business and arguing with us like it's important to you when we all know it's not.

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I think the timing is sus. We know Ador/Hybe have been having a hard time contacting the girls, so I would guess that they were trying to catch them unawares/force a meeting.

Normally, you would do such things like inspection during 'business hours'.

Personally, I don’t even think they know the girls have left that apartment. Just like they didn’t know about the Yt video, the press conference, or the contract termination. And especially after their contracts ended, I don’t think the girls want to communicate further with hybe or ador higher-ups and only with the staff they’re close with, to finish their remaining schedules.

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I agree, its weird but my main response to this is for you to provide proof that it was a HYBE/ADOR employee (instructed by hybe/ador) that uploaded it.

The news mentioned that hybe employees showed up wearing a body cam to the girls apartment (nothing about those pice being uploaded in the forum yet). Until later, people found out the photos ended up on an incel forum, being uploaded in the middle of night. Now, think about it—who else has access to those pictures? And who can get into Njs’ apartment, which is in a secure neighborhood with tight security?

Did the company tell the employee to upload the pictures to the incel forum? Who knows. Still, the forum seems to be their comfort zone. I think we all know this based on how often they’ve used the 'information' provided by those incels to defend themselves and create internal reports. And instead of addressing the issue or defending themselves, they’re just deleting articles and trying to sweep it under the rug, the thing they love to do when they have no arguments left and can't even spin the story.

I feel like Bg has been more dominant in the 5th gen so far, at least from my point of view. As Sm has never really failed with girl groups since the 2nd gen, and they really know how to promote and create concepts that people can’t get enough of, I honestly think H2H will lead the gg in this generation.

Let's be real, Sm has the most solid track record with girl groups, and even though their management sucks, they just know how to make things work. I’m confident that their new girl group is going to be huge next year. They’ll probably bring back that Snsd charm, and I really believe it’s going to hit home with fans again. Having an Indonesian member also is an extra advantage, as we already know that this girl group will do extremely well on social media and streaming platforms. Things already look promising, ngl as why I'm quite confident.

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Btw this is a list since 2020, how can BB is there and not others ggs??...

Well, that just means BB members have better organic social media engagement than most girl groups. Still, I’m surprised Ivs isn’t here tbh

I’m seriously impressed. Crazy dropped in August with 825k total sales, and Drip, which came out in November, isn’t far behind at 801k now. The gap is getting smaller, and it’s only a matter of time before them hit 1 million. Baemon is clearly on the rise, so YG really needs to step up and promote them properly while they’re still the hot new group everyone’s talking about. Even in Korean charts, they're slowly climbing!

They’ve got a huge advantage with their strong fanbase in Southeast Asia, especially Thailand, where fans are super supportive. Plus, their fanbase in China is growing fast too. And as a girl group, their songs are way more likely welcome by public compare to bg. Yg would be making a huge mistake if they don’t seize this moment to push Baemon further while they’re still fresh and gaining momentum. I hope, the company will not throw them to endless tours just to over the profits they lose from Bp. Baemon just have got so much talent and potential—it’d be a shame to waste it with lack of push and promotion now when they're one of the new hottest stuff in the market.

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You best believe I will be here to bump up these dead threads 3 years from now. And I would like an apology not only to me, but also to the girls for mindlessly supporting them in an endeavor that will prove to be disastrous for their careers.

You can't even be sure you'll live until tomorrow, so just chill out about the uncertain future of someone's else

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So I saw this today and I'm a bit confused, if this is official and still a schedule under Ador it's going to be way longer than expected.

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That's a fake account since there's no Hanteo in Japan. Plus, the likes say it all. And just to add, they usually announce the lineup by the end of January at the earliest

The GP is so fickle, they can be loyal to you today but abandon you the next day. I'm afraid that the longer this whole situation takes to wrap up, the more it will negatively impact Nj.

It doesn’t seem like they have a company backing them right now, and there’s no sign of new music coming anytime soon. Their last releases were in May and June last year, and even those came almost a year after their 2023 songs. By Njs’ standards, their comeback last year already underperformed in terms of chart longevity in Korea. Plus, their Spotify streams for both songs have dropped significantly too. So, we already kinda see how this whole things effecting them, as they can't promote much.

Nj is still a rookie group trying to strengthen their fanbase, and this whole feus is happening before they’ve even hit their 2nd anniversary. They’re not like Big Bang or IU, who can survive basically any scandals without much damage. I really hope we see Nj back soon, so the girls can rebuild their momentum and reputation.

Edit:

First-week sales (Hanteo) and total sales (Circle) for their albums released this year:

Yuqi: 550,170 / 650,468

Rosé: 444,648/ 480,000

Nayeon: 376,825/ 459,556

Irene: 336,805/ 340,000

Tzuyu: 331,698/ 426,806

IU: 229,019/ 380,368

Wendy: 120,000/ 157,055

Honestly, I never thought this day would come—that a female soloist from a 4th-gen group could outsell her seniors. Just saying, I'm really proud of her.