I will, but only if you stay on topic and let people share their opinions freely too without fighting them over what they feel. No, you don't have the right to respond to other people's opinions on topics like this when you're the one asking for them. You might as well just say, "PLEASE WRITE ONLY POSITIVE OPINIONS ABOUT LE SSERAFIM" as a tittle if you can't handle the bitter truth. People expressing their dislike for certain members' vocals or the group's songs not a shade or blantly discrediting them for no reason, people just didn't like them and it's okay. Look at how other users create threads like this, the OP doesn't interfere with people's opinions because they're ready to read all critism about their group when they decided to post these kind of thread. If you're a weak, just don't do it.
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i dont know about laws are still laws part. This is real world with real evil people/corporation not a light novel where MC always get what they want. And hybe obv has peoples in the Gov more than MHJ. They can stop BPxGaga to perform in the white house eventho the first lady of USA asked for it more than 3 times.
From the pov of people who don't side with either hybe or mhj, all i can say after that is goodluck.
Who said this isn’t reality? From the beginning, people kept insisting that Mhj would lose to Hybe, but she won her injunction. Even in the second injunction, she didn’t lose, it was dismissed simply because the court lacked of authority to intervene in Ador’s shareholder matters. At least hybe should bribe the court in the very early stage to save us from these 7 months headache.
Yes, corruption could still come into play in the future, and Hybe’s political influence might allow them to manipulate the system behind the scenes and make Nj lose. But they can't touch what's clearly written on the contract where Nj can pay for their termination fee to free from the company. What they can do is to inflate the amount Nj might need to repay to sabotage the girls.
And about the White House situation, is there any proof that Hybe was behind it, or is it just a rumor? Not to defend them, but considering how many men in Korea are incels and misogynistic, the real reason might simply be that they didn’t want a group of woman representing them in a huge country events like that and add Lisa being a Thai too into that.
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you comparing loona company to hybe? thats crazy....
I don't think you can just finish this case with few months, if it's possible NJ and MHJ already done that. The case was like what, april? we are at the end of the year and still 0 court case and BTS will comeback soon it will boost Hybe image.
And hybe just can say "you can keep the penalty money for yourself, let's fulfill the 7 years contract. to the dungeon there you go". it's not like hybe don't like money, but they can recoup the money from BTS comeback and tour next year. But to bury top group that can hinder LSF, illit and your next GG?.
You underestimate what Hybe can do with their money, power and connection.
Yes, I am, because laws are still laws. An injunction usually only takes months to maintain the status quo and prevent harm while a case is being decided. It’s always there to protect the less powerful party. What takes years is the actual contract termination. Even now, I believe some Loona members still haven't fully gotten out of their contract with Bbc. And Hybe can’t refuse Nj's termination fees if it’s stated in their contract that allows termination upon payment of a fee. From how Mhn talked about this before, and how Hybe has mediaplays using the amount of the fees to scare the Nj members, I guess that’s what’s written in their contract.
I didn’t underestimate Hybe’s power as a corporate, but I’m talking about the law. They can try dragging it out, who’s to say they can’t, but there’s also proof that courts usually side with idols when the company is always the more powerful one. Idols are not views as an employees actually make it much easier for them in the court tbh.
I also forgot to mention that MHJ and NJ’s actions right now are to avoid being seen as traitors like 50/50, so Hybe doesn’t gain the upper hand. That’s why it’s taking them longer to decide on terminating their contracts. Now, they have chance to leave without paying a cent.
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They just need to win the injunction, which usually only takes a few months to get the results, and the girls can continue their careers. It’s kind of like how the loona members signed with a new company before their old contracts were officially terminated by the court. If they lose, I think they’ll probably just choose to pay the penalty by then.
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People. People.
I already gave the new name
Just put a space.
Also, the girls are gone for sure now. There was never a doubt though
Not to burst your bubble, but I checked Kipris, and 'New Jeans' (with the space) has already been trademarked under Ador. The funniest thing I find is, two random companies also attempted to trademark the name with the space since Nj debuted, but obv both applications were rejected. So, it won’t work that way. However, I believe the girls could easily reclaim their group name using the court if they all leave since Korea have new laws regarding to that, which how Gfriend’s name was protected from Soumu.
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So that means, hybe probably will trying something to make sure Nj can't leave...
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I assumed that was thrown out when Hybe dissolved the shareholder's contract, so it never made sense to me how much she fought to get it re-instated
Looks like she's getting her money and no longer forced to abide by the DNC.
The real question is would she actually start her own agency or move the girls to BANA
What’s Bana? Anyway, I don’t think it will dissolve that easily. This doesn’t sound like something Hybe would do. I believe they included the clause from the start because they intended to fire her while also eliminating any potential future competition from her. There is no way they would just let her take Nj and start her own company, especially knowing the group poses a major threat to their own ggs. Hybe isn’t that 'kind', we all know it. That’s why I think Mhj were fighting for her position at Ador, it probably much easier than trying to dissolve the clause or she just genuinely didn't have any plan to leave Hybe since the start nor stealing Nj from them. Now, she’s probably finally seeking to terminate it through the court as Nj will in danger position if this going on longer.
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im guessing that they will join a smaller ent or sm
Sm is already out of the picture, and with Hybe holding shares in the company, I doubt Nj would move there while it’s still tied to Hybe. That said, I really hope they don’t end up under Mc Mong, a guy who pulled out his teeths just to dodge military service is just as shady as Hybe.
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I’m really curious about what will happen with NJ now that they’ve threatened to terminate their contract. Some people speculate that MHJ might start her own company for them, but doesn’t she have a non-compete clause that prevents her from working in the entertainment industry in the next few years? Even if she tries to challenge that contract in court, it would still take a very long time to settle, especially considering how Hybe operates.
If that’s the case, what will happen to the NJ members? Will they retire completely from the industry, or will they join an already established company? MHJ plays such a significant role in shaping their concept and identity, and I doubt smaller companies would be able to maintain that standard. It’s worrying to think about where they might end up.
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OP asking questions and then debating everyone for giving honest opinions on Lsf is so funny to me. Like, there’s no right or wrong answers since it’s all just opinions (unless it’s something truly disrespectful). If you’re asking for opinions, don’t get offended when people are honest about how they feel about the group or its members. If you only want positive answers or plan to argue with people over what they feel about this, maybe don’t ask in the first place.
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Forgot i was banned on all kpop subs cause armys mass reported me
gonna let my clone do the job
Give a link, i want to visit
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Out of all the foreign members in popular 4th-gen girl groups, Kazuha had the biggest individual debut hype by far, both in Korea and internationally. But over time, she kind of faded into the background.
Meanwhile, other foreign idols like Yuqi, Giselle, Rei, and Hanni have been getting more and more popular than her in Korea, even though they didn’t start off with as much initial hype. I know some will argue about this and that but remember Kazuha’s debut hype was indeed massive. She had this amazing backstory that everyone loved including Koreans: a former ballet prodigy who give up that career to become an idol. She instantly became a fan favorite, and her visuals reminded people of Suzy, one of Korea’s darlings just boosted her popularity. The Garam controversy not affecting her yet it actually just solidifying her status as the group’s main visual. Plus, after lsf’s debut, she was the quickest to score brand deals (not including Sakura). What really surprised people was that, even Sakura unable to have any individual CFs in Korea at that time, yet Kazuha a Japanese idol who was just freshly debuted managed to land one.
With such a strong debut and being in such a popular group, with Hybe actually keep pushing her just as we can see in Lsf's mvs as well, it’s surprising how quickly Kazuha’s initial hype seemed to fade this fast.
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I'm not sure if he made changes with his vocal coaches but some members did vocal lessons outside of BH/HYBE.
His voice did changed throughout the years.
I can tell it must be Jk because his vocals have really leveled up, and he just keeps getting better. The other members should go to his vocal coaches too because whatever they’re doing is clearly working for him. And Hybe might as well just fired most of their in-house vocal trainers except for Pledis because, to be real, they’re all useless.
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Out of topic but my favorite solo song from him is still Serendipity, it’s just that good. Plus, that’s when his vocals were still in great shape and not as strained as they sound now. Honestly, I can’t really listen to his recent solo stuff or even some Bts songs because of it. I’m not sure if he switched vocal coaches or if he’s been using the wrong technique all this time and it started catch up on him, but his vocals seem to have gone downhill and will just get worse if he doesn’t train properly. It’s such a shame because his voice is so unique for a male idol and used to be my favorite in kpop. It's soft and rich at the same time. Honestly, he could’ve become an amazing vocalist if he is under Sm, because it doesn’t seem like Hybe took vocal training seriously.
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Moka sounds like a constipated goat, wonhee with her dead eyes and expression is uncanny valley, yunah whole grown ass woman cosplaying a toddler will never not be funny, Iroha be looking like cosmo & wanda with those veneers and minju sounds like watered down Halsey with her cursive. Whole group’s a mess but you can’t deny they provide much needed comic relief 😅
Why are you being rude to the girls. Hey, they're in the same age group as Nj, I know you wouldn't like if people talk to the girls the same way you talk about Illit. Kpop is not that serious for you to trash talking a group of youngsters.
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Well, you said nobody ever said it, but I showed you that people definitely have. Not that I agree with that opinion—I’ve argued with a ton of people to defend the girls because I know a lot of folks were dragging them for it. Whether it’s a minority or not, you can’t really measure it by chart performance since songs don’t reflect that. Plus, any survey related to Kpop usually has fewer than 25k participants, while a single post about opinions like this an get more likes than that. So, just take it as we’ve just been on different sides of social media. Anyway, the girls have already proven themselves, so there’s really no need to keep arguing about it.
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Illit’s debut has been a huge success, with Magnetic everywhere, but it's interesting how this hasn’t translated well into individual member popularity and hype, at least from what I can see.
People have often labeled Nj as a ‘boring’ group lacking star power, but Minji, Hanni, and Haerin especially, are always trending everywhere and frequently discussed even if they’re not yet on the level of Karina or Wy. I don’t even need to mention Aespa, Ive, Lsf and Gidle; these groups all have standout members that's always put their group in the spotlight. Even compared to Bm, there’s a huge gap in followers and social media engagement with Illit, despite the group still didn't produce any hit song.
It’s interesting that Magnetic hasn’t brought much spotlight to the members. I wonder why that is. Maybe it's just me, but it feels like a 50/50 situation once again where people recognize the song but not the singers. This shouldn't really be happening with Illit, considering they’re from Korea’s biggest entertainment company. Hybe seems focused on pushing Wonhee as their It girl and Minju as the visual. Yet, there doesn’t seem to be much discussion or hype around them to actually carrying their group in public eyes. Their recent comeback hasn’t made much noise either even after a huge hit like Magnetic, only strengthens my assumption.
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The members welcomed his comeback with open arms, and SM didn’t seem to mind the whole 'controversy' since the beginning and even announcing his participation just for them to pull it back just two days later. It’s kinda weird, right? They must know they’ll get a ton of backlash for that, it's not the first time for sm and they always playing dumb over all the protests they receive. But what about Seunghan? Do you think he’s not bothered by all the hate coming his way? It’s gotta hurt mentally and exhaust him so much. Just imagine seeing all those flower wreaths and hate messages on korean social media—it must be tough to deal with. Plus, he also has to carry the weight of guilt for dragging his group and members into this mess. It's too much to handle in the same time. Just like how I think his long hiatus also for give him some space to rest and heal from all the hate he got. And he only coming back recently after feeling much better just sadly for some people bullying him to the edge.
He’s only 21, still pretty young to handle all this stress. Honestly, an extremely unpopular opinions, I’m glad he’s stepping back from Riize. During his hiatus, he started living a more normal life, going to cram school and retaking college entrance exams, and hopefully enjoying himself more. Staying in the group just isn’t worth it if it means sacrificing his mental health and life. I really hope he finds happiness now, and maybe even debuted as a solo artist later, so the OT6 Riize fans and knetz will stop bugging him and he can just get support from people who genuinely care, without all the threats.
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I guess the 'Korea' in the title wasn't clear enough for you.
Since when any of the people on your list being as popular as the older generation of foreign idols in Korea. Yuqi and Shuhua compared to Exo's C-line or even Victoria, Minnie and Hanni to Lisa, and Danielle to Rosé (both of them are still Korean tho).
