among kingdom groups they are also 3rd on apple music as well.. so we are doing pretty well actually
The international fandom has grown a lot too, that's for sure. I was just expecting the older groups to Chart better than tbz for the domestic side so I'm pleasantly surprised.
Every bit I've heard of this song convinces me it's going to be a major bop.
I however have no clue what the Mv will look like. Whoever is in charge of teasers for the cb really know how to keep us guessing. The song makes me think it'll be lighter than we originally thought (in terms of concept and storyline) but it's txt so... Also, Yeonjun's fate / storyline seems dark in the concept trailer and this Mv teaser.
Kingdom Come not only sounds amazing, but is really reminiscent of Checkmates. It's really suitable for the Finale. I even like it better than Checkmates without the performance (even though Checkmates became one of my fave tbz tracks over time, I wasn't sold when it first came out before the Finale rtk performance), I'm already listening to it on repeat.
Tbz are doing amazing on domestic charts, I was surprised to see them consistently first among Kd groups on domestic charts, even though I knew they have a big korean fandom.
I can't wait ! 
It's been a while since they had this kind of activity as a group. This looks as chaotic as ever, and it made me think about how comfortable they've become with variety shows over the years. I expect them to clown eo, have fun and get competitive for no reason.
It sounds so good, I didn't know what to expect when the teaser dropped but the song is dark (really dark) and addictive (amazing hook) + Changbin's rap in this track in particular hits different.
I can see them performing this for the Finale, it's really THEM and it's great !
Also, they are doing amazing on Charts (much better than expected domestically where they are in the top 3, and miles ahead internationally), we can feel the progress and what they've gained from Kingdom even before comeback.
The anticipation keeps growing with each teaser, we're really close to comeback now !!!
I love that Exo are still going strong with their alien concept so long after debut. I wonder how this cb will affect the storyline, it looks like it comes after Power, but we've also had Tempo, love shot and Obsession in between.
actually it's beneficial to not vote for SKZ that's why they are receiving the least outsider votes
SKZ will be #1 no matter what happens cus the fandom is relatively bigger, other fandoms will try to as close as SKZ's votes that's why they are avoiding giving votes to SKZ
atinys and deobis maybe not voting each other since they had beef with each other even when the show didn't start, but they should work together and vote each other for their own good lol that way they can be closer to SKZ's vote idk what strategies other groups are doing but all i know is they r not voting for SKZ
On the contrary, I'd say not voting for Skz is not beneficial for them, I'll explain why :
- There are 4 criterias to gain points in a round : 25% experts, 25% self evaluations, 40% votes and 10% youtube views.
Voting represents 40% :
- To vote for or not vote for Skz won't make Skz loose their first place (as seen from the first 2 rounds) ***
- So now the goal is not to win first place in votes, but second place. For ex, if Ateez had won second place in votes ranking, with their first place in Expert and Self evaluations they could have won the round overall.
- By excluding Skz (who won the vote rankings) from their votes, they inflated the votes other competitors received. This means that their vote ranking fell, and their overall ranking did too.
- On the contrary, if they voted skz as they did other groups, the inflation might not have been so drastic and they would have had a better rank.
- Where are the benefits in not voting skz ? They are winning the votes anyway. Skz are advantaged too much by their popularity for the votes, they won't loose in a popularity contest. But the expert and self evaluations also count for half the points. The goal shouldn't be to fight against skz in votes, but to get as high a rank in votes. As long as skz don't get better expert and self evaluations rankings, there is a chance to win even if the votes ranking is lower than skz'.
*** More complete explanation on this :
- Stays are a much bigger fanbase than any other Kd group, especially if we compare the numbers of whosfan accounts. From Intro stage numbers, when substracting the nb of stay whosfan accounts to the total nb of votes skz received, it could be seen that stays received 80k outsiders votes (if we don't consider slight fluctuations on how many accounts actually vote, and possible multis having different groups' accounts). This was a huge gap from the second to last in outsider votes (above 200k), yet Skz won in Intro votes. We can imagine that the same happened for 1s round, yet Skz still won the votes ranking too.
- Stays' strategy is to vote for Skz all the time + all other groups equally, and as long as they follow this strategy their huge numbers are enough for 1s place in vote rankings. This means that, as long as all the other fanbases don't make an alliance to vote for one specific group to get ahead of skz (which obviously won't happen), Skz will win the votes.
=> Stays' strategy doesn't influence other rankings, it just means that skz will place first.
Yup, someone will come last everytime, doesn't matter how undeserving it is bcoz all the groups are good. I wish fans vote for their fav perfs instead of voting strategically but that's a wishful thinking.
I personally vote for my fave performances ; I'm a multi with 2 ults and 1 semi ult on the show, so I root for too many teams. already. I could just vote for my 3 favorite teams, but since they can't all win anyway, I might as well go with enjoyment you know ?
It's normal for people who have a fave on the show to want them to win (vote for them all the time), so it was expected that fans would make strategies. No matter the results, some will be disappointed so the best would have been no votes (or even no ranking) but it's mnet so...
I don't know, I was checking reddit and there fans were really upset with the term "we voted equally" by Stays as they seem to not believe it i guess.
It's normal to be upset about the voting results. I do think it was due to an error in strategy on atinys and deobis' fanbase side. Stays are not sharing votes equally out of the goodness of their heart, they know that this strategy is the right one thanks to the fanbase's size, so it might be why the term "we voted equally" annoys other fanbases, although it is true.
With their numbers, Stays just have to make sure to vote equally for Skz to be first. Atinys and Deobis not voting for Stays and each other inflated the votes for the other teams (who are not excluding each other), which made them fall in voting rankings.
ooh I just binge watch them on YouTube. The performances are really good! Does that mean that StrayKids already performed last week? Or they are performing next week? Sorry I don't know how the show run
Ep 1 : There were the 100s Intro stages, for which all teams performed on the same day.
Ep 2 + ep 3 : Round 1. Full performances (3+ minutes), half the teams perform on each episode. Before each performance, we see the process of the creation of the performance.
Ep 4 today : Round 2. Half the teams (Sf9, Ateez and Ikon) performed today, the other half next episode.
On the show, I ult skz and tbz. I also semi ult ateez and went in knowing Ikon and Btob (though not a fan) and not really knowing sf9. From watching Kingdom, I've decided to stan Ikon, Btob and Sf9, just haven't had the time to dive into their discrographies / contents yet (because of uni).
I'm semi aware of the strategies for 3z because I follow a lot of fans on twitter from these 3 groups. I basically vote for my favorite performances, but I kinda know how the fanbases vote, especially 3z.
On twitter last week, there was some kind of fight between atinys and deobis when their strategies were revealed by some fan who was part of both the fanbases. It created some drama and the fanbases made statements which showed their conversations (including the conversations about their strategies). But even if there wasn't that, the strategies of 3z fanbases were still easily found, they got leaked constantly.
Stay fanbases had to remind fans not to be spiteful / not to exclude any group from their votes (even though stays knew other groups' strategies included not voting for skz) because Stays could win from sharing equal votes for other teams while voting skz all the time.
As far as I know, Atinys and Deobis excluded skz completely from their votes (actually, all fanbases did, not just atinys and Deobies, if we believe the first round of voting for the intro stages), and shared the votes inequally between the other teams (either entirely or almost entirely excluding each other from votes too).
All the performances from this ep are a step up from last round. I think each group got a better idea of what could or could not work for 3+ minutes performances.
Sf9, Tbz and Ikon all blew me away. I know they are probably stressed by the competition, but watching it is really fun because we get to see them try something they can't do in their usual stages. Basically they create short storylines while showing off their performances skills, and it's a new side from these groups.
Although tbz already showed some of this on rtk, I found their performance today exceeded my expectations and was my favorite from them so far on Kd (same level as my two fave tbz stages on rtk). Sf9 are getting better each week and they seem to get what's expected of a Kd stage at this point. Ikon are getting more creative (with the references to their theme, moving set manipulated by the members and playing with the camera).
Copied what I said in another thread :
I think tbz and ateez fanbases shot themselves in the foot with their voting strategies...
Let's say it this way :
- Stays are the biggest whosfan fanbase, their voting startegy is to vote for skz while alernating between the other 5 groups equally. They don't need the other fanbases' votes to win as long as the follow their strategy thanks to their numbers.
- Atinys and Deobies are not voting for Skz at all, and barely vote for each other. They mostly vote for themselves + the 3 oldest groups, emphasis on sf9 (because everybody felt bad for them last week and they seem non frightening with the smallest fanbase).
- Sf9, Ikon and Btob fanbases have their own voting strategies, which I don't know but I'm sure don't exclude each other.
So apart from Skz who are untouchable thanks to stays' numbers, Ateez and Tbz fanbases suffered from voting up their own competitors (inflating the votes) while they tried to not vote for skz (who were winning either way). Sf9 was voted for by all fanbases, so they jumped up the most.
I discussed it with a De*obi last week, lmao.
She was bitter with me because I said it's better to leave a #1 untouchable and vote for them, having a better chance of getting a #2 or #3 than to follow this strategy and end up at the bottom while carrying the smaller groups to better positions
And she was still asking me why they should vote for skz if they are their faves' biggest competition...
I think this would definitely be the best strategy for Deobies and Atinys. 1 vote for their own team, 1 vote wasted by voting for skz who are getting 1st place in votes no matter what, 1 vote for other teams (alternating, they would have to choose a strategy for this last vote, probably look at youtube views and other categories to see which team are most likely to get in the way of a higher ranking). This way, if Ateez and Tbz have good expert and self evaluations, they can still win as long as skz do badly in those categories, or at least come second place.
We got the rankings in each category, not the final rankings. But considering skz' rankings, I'm sure they jumped to first place now.
Sf9 jumped to 2nd?
I think tbz and ateez fanbases shot themselves in the foot with their voting strategies...
Let's say it this way :
- Stays are the biggest whosfan fanbase, their voting startegy is to vote for skz while alernating between the other 5 groups equally. They don't need the other fanbases' votes to win as long as the follow their strategy thanks to their numbers.
- Atinys and Deobies are not voting for Skz at all, and barely vote for each other. They mostly vote for themselves + the 3 oldest groups, emphasis on sf9 (because everybody felt bad for them last week and they seem non frightening with the smallest fanbase).
- Sf9, Ikon and Btob fanbases have their own voting strategies, which I don't know but I'm sure don't exclude each other.
So apart from Skz who are untouchable thanks to stays' numbers, Ateez and Tbz fanbases suffered from voting up their own competitors (inflating the votes) while they tried to not vote for skz (who were winning either way). Sf9 was voted for by all fanbases, so they jumped up the most.
