Most successful 3rd gen visual?

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Despite my answer...

I actually think of her as a late 2nd generation visual myself. It depends on how you see the generational split.

In my view AOA straddled the line between generations, debuting at the end of 2nd and carrying over much of a 2nd generation sensibility (e.g. tapping the 2nd gen sexy wave.), and experiencing a bulk of their prominence prior to the entrance of the primary girl groups that are generally considered the defining top players of 3rd generation (TWICE, BLACKPINK, RED VELVET).

So in that sense, I see AOA as more 2nd Gen group. This is how I categorize them personally.

But my answer was assuming they are considered a (early) 3rd gen group or grandfathered in as a Transitional generation group. This aligns with Wikipedia view and I assume the view of the user I was responding to.

It's one of those things that depends on who's generational timeline you go with. I've seen AOA placed both in 2nd gen and 3rd (as an early player). So I was allowing for that disparity in my answer.

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Ah, I see. Good point!

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No worries, always welcome informative answers. Learning+knowledge, ain't nothing bad.

KPOP is basically a popularity contest, and because of that, others who are just as visually attractive or talented don't get a spotlight, which sucks.

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Agreed.

You both have got a point, but wasn't AOA more of a late 2nd gen girl group, just like Girl's Day and Sistar? Which would make Seolhyun more of a 2nd gen visual.

I always considered her to be 3rd gen. If I squeeze them in 2nd gen, then I think EXID would be also 2nd gen, since they're both 2012 debut. Also SISTAR and Girl's Day is 2010 so that's like 2 years gap. And Mamamoo would be the only starter for 3rd gen since they're 2014 like Red Velvet, which doesn't seem right IMO.

Also, ain't it a mood that all we're doing is ranking females based on their visuals/physical appearance and how well they are being defined and perceived as 'visually' attractive or not attractive by the society. And we're OK with doing that. Shallow and superficial, but thoughts like these never cross the mind. Lol. We live in a society..

But back on topic, Tyuzu, Jisoo and Irene, all great visuals, but it's like watching very pretty paint, being dry on a wall.

Why didn't anyone mention jennie?

at the moment is Jisoo she is killing it now with Dior and getting promoted with global campaigns etc.. she is the third most followed member and second popular member in Korea her popularity has risen regardless the snowdrop controversy.

I fans are so oblivious.

Even if Jisoo started her solo cfs like 3 years after debut by the end of this year she will catch up with Irene's lifetime cfs that Irene's been collecting since 2014 lol. Jisoo had four predebut cfs with Lee minho, nikon, a solo game cf and so on. Her visuals are very loved just not as mediaplayed as Irene. I mean jisol didn't have to lie like Irene that a tour bus full of people came to see her and have netizens with thousands of upvotes have never heard of this despite living in the same town.

Tzuyu literally is on naver's main page for landing in South Korea. She topped Gallup in her debut year and had solo cf's with LG right out the gate. No promotion tzuyu and and sana ranked above heavily promoted Irene in the army poll in 2019. Like what delulu shit am I reading.

Nobody gets the hype around Irene besides the kpop bubble which says a lot about her. Literally should pick a random member praise her to the high heavens, plant some articles and watch how k pop fans eat it up lol. It should be a social experiment.

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Jisoo

Tzuyu

My ranking would be, going purely based on speculation about how much money they are earning right now from their solo activities:

1. Jisoo

Dior's main girl. She has appeared in every major magazine (Vogue, Elle, Harper's Bazaar) in Asia at some point in 2022 and her face is currently all over Korea as part of the Dior Addict campaign. Her drama was not well received domestically but considering it did fine on Disney+, the fact that she still has Korean endorsements, and the media turn out when she pulled up at that Dior event in Seoul she is far from blacklisted in SK. Her solo is also guaranteed to sell at least 500-600k

2. Irene

Probably makes next to nothing from solo activities currently, but was a former it girl so that counts for something. Her acting debut and station songs made zero noise. Personally I don't see her making a comeback as an it girl or ever getting a solo but she was huge in her prime

3. Tzuyu

She could have been an it girl but was held back by her company. If she ever leaves JYP, I think she can make it big in Taiwan as an actress/model.

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I think other visuals like Bona, Mijoo (how much does she get paid for variety bcz she's everywhere now) at one point Jung Chaeyeon, are more successful than people think because they're successfully branched out of the group mold. In terms of traditional success, I don't know if Tzuyu is 3rd because she gets very little opportunity besides 1-2 magazine covers.

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Why didn't anyone mention jennie?

I think Jisoo has the official title of visual, so she isn't included in this convo.

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I fans are so oblivious.

Even if Jisoo started her solo cfs like 3 years after debut by the end of this year she will catch up with Irene's lifetime cfs that Irene's been collecting since 2014 lol. Jisoo had four predebut cfs with Lee minho, nikon, a solo game cf and so on. Her visuals are very loved just not as mediaplayed as Irene. I mean jisol didn't have to lie like Irene that a tour bus full of people came to see her and have netizens with thousands of upvotes have never heard of this despite living in the same town.

She's not even second most popular member in korea anymore thanks to her tanked kdrama . Jisoo never gonna catch upto Irene's popularity in Korea.

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She's not even second most popular member in korea anymore thanks to her tanked kdrama . Jisoo never gonna catch upto Irene's popularity in Korea.

She is and her drama didn't tank, did just fine for a cable drama

Irene was a thousand times more popular than Jisoo when she was in her prime. Literally korea’s it girl and she was even a soju model. Just that tells you everything you need to know.

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Irene was a thousand times more popular than Jisoo when she was in her prime. Literally korea’s it girl and she was even a soju model. Just that tells you everything you need to know.

Key words being "in her prime" while I'm basing this off of current reality. Irene has zero brand deals and zero success with her solo acting or music with limited future opportunities thanks to her attitude scandal. Between the two of them who is more likely to have a successful future here you tell me

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Her visuals are very loved just not as mediaplayed as Irene. I mean jisol didn't have to lie like Irene that a tour bus full of people came to see her and have netizens with thousands of upvotes have never heard of this despite living in the same town.

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Nobody gets the hype around Irene besides the kpop bubble which says a lot about her. Literally should pick a random member praise her to the high heavens, plant some articles and watch how k pop fans eat it up lol. It should be a social experiment.

More like you're 1 of those few hardcore Tzuyu stans cq Irene antis of whom the envy and jealousy is dripping off your pores, the same complaining for years about Irene's popularity and that it must all be mediaplay since if you hate an idol, everybody must hate that idol, right, and everyone liking idols that you hate must be in the wrong and it must all be mediaplay, right? Get over it, grow up. Lose that toxic attitude. It's getting boring after years of Irene bashing and shading.

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Why didn't anyone mention jennie?

Jennie was mentioned, on the first page. And should be mentioned since it's actually Jennie and Lisa who're the most popular (and most successful?) BP members, Jennie in South Korea and internationally it's Lisa followed by Jennie.

It should come as no surprise though that, due to BTS' and BP's big gap with all other groups, that all the BP and BTS members will rank high in popularity and brand rankings, not just the top members. With a few additions from other groups, and among those were Irene and Wonyoung.