Would you consider a group that is a part of a company's sub label to be a part of the company?

Seventeen is a HYBE group but not a Bighit group

Not really, Golden child's technically under Sm but I say they're a woollim group, not sm

Hmmm well I differentiate between acquired and not I suppose.

Like seventeen isn’t a hybe group in my head but the newly debuted group will be Hybe in my mind.

Either way they’re not a bighit label group which would just be BTS and TXT.

I think it depends on the influence the company has in the group's marketing and management. If the image of the company is too attracted to the sub label's group, then my brain considers.

Of course. Dont matter that Seventeen is under a sublabel, they and their sublabel all answer to BangPD.

Same with all the groups under Kakao. Ive, StayC, Boyz, MonstaX, Apink, etc and their respective labels all answer to Kakao's chief ultimately.

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Not really, Golden child's technically under Sm but I say they're a woollim group, not sm

Woollim hasn't been under SM for some time now, SM C&C (Culture & Contents) owns like 20% of the company but the other 80% is owned by the CEO himself who is the one taking decisions there. For SM to actually own them they would have to be the one with the most shares. That's why it's not the same case as Mystic Story for example which is even under SM Studios.

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Woollim hasn't been under SM for some time now, SM C&C (Culture & Contents) owns like 20% of the company but the other 80% is owned by the CEO himself who is the one taking decisions there. For SM to actually own them they would have to be the one with the most shares. That's why it's not the same case as Mystic Story for example which is even under SM Studios.

They still used to be though, I doubt people called Infinite an Sm group in 2013

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They still used to be though, I doubt people called Infinite an Sm group in 2013

Yeah well it depends on a lot of factors, I think you could say they technically were under SM, but when a group is trained, have been for years under a company and were already successfull people won't usually "connect them" to a bigger fish at first, it's like Seventeen's case, sure they are technically under HYBE too, but people so far will always connect them to Pledis since they are the ones who have managed them (and still do) since the start. Billlie is technically under SM since debut so people who know will also make that connection but Mystic Story is the main player under them, so you could say Billlie are like counsins of other SM groups on business terms lol, they get some SM money (and make some as well), but they are mainly managed by Mystic Story.

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Yeah well it depends on a lot of factors, I think you could say they technically were under SM, but when a group is trained, have been for years under a company and were already successfull people won't usually "connect them" to a bigger fish at first, it's like Seventeen's case, sure they are technically under HYBE too, but people so far will always connect them to Pledis since they are the ones who have managed them (and still do) since the start. Billlie is technically under SM since debut so people who know will also make that connection but Mystic Story is the main player under them, so you could say Billlie are like counsins of other SM groups on business terms lol, they get some SM money (and make some as well), but they are mainly managed by Mystic Story.

Great way to put it!!!

Yes. All of BigHit’s, Pledis’, Belift’s, Source Music’ (and etc) groups are managed by their own respective companies, however, they all would be considered “HYBE” groups.

From what I observed, HYBE Label often markets or tends to lean towards that “family” agenda— considering they did have New Year’s Eve live twice with all their acts under the label for the past two years. Not to mention that all of their managements share the same building.

Out of all the entertainment companies under HYBE, they have the most shares within Pledis; 85%, which is their biggest acquisition I believe, so their involvement and input on Seventeen’s activities is quite monumental considering the shares. In essence, yes, they are managed by Pledis, but they would still be considered a HYBE Label’s group (with the way the label is marketing themselves as well).

i mean the members themselves have mentioned hybe so many times, i also accepted that svt are hybe artists