What’s up with the big 3 superiority complex on here? When it’s been proven to not be true multiple times?

    “a group that’s not from big 3 won’t last”


    you guys… BTS are the PRIME example of how such things can indeed happen.

    a lesser known example is T-ARA releasing hit after hit in Korea and Jiyeon being voted the most famous female idol of 2013 by Koreans. they were gigantic with the GP it’s the bullying scandal that stopped them.

    StayC gets so much shit when they just debuted and are growing well with the GP. BEP the national hit maker who did Twice Cheer Up, TT and a bunch of iconic songs is their producer for life I assure you they will do just fine


    i remember this thread about wonyoung’s popularity not possibly lasting cause she’s not from big 3… when starship is under kakao m who has TONS of connections and either way, it doesn’t matter

    seolhyun is considered the second IT girl of 2nd gen and she’s from FNC

    and no it’s not Yoona. Yoona is one of the most famous female idols of 2nd gen not an IT girl, two different statuses. when koreans asked who they thought would be the next IT girl ( a post from a few years ago still available on Pannatic ) they used Suzy and Seolhyun as examples.


    why do we still act like big 3 is reigning and no one else can be at the top lol

    ofc big 3 privilege is a thing but when a group or an idol not from big 3 is big there’s always stuff like “no they won’t last they’re not big 3” meanwhile big3 groups get “they’re only gonna get bigger from now on” pleaaaaaase…

    that’s not even true for big 3 groups itzy declined with the GP

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    It's not the Big 3 anymore, it's the Big 4 and the sense of entitlement and superiority is exactly the same for all the stans of the Big 4 and Big 4 groups :eyebrowsr: :siptear:

    Sigh.


    Big 3 superiority isn't about always having someone from the Big 3 at the pinnacle of whatever metric you are choosing as an example.


    It's about having sustained and consistent above average success on an ongoing basis. Almost every group that the Big 3 have debuted for the past 15 years and in some cases beyond that have been amongst the top groups in their generation.


    The list below is like a who's who of the most successful Kpop groups ever....


    HOT

    SES

    Shinhwa

    TVXQ

    Suju

    Big Bang

    Shinee

    2pm

    SNSD

    Wonder Girls

    2NE1

    Fx

    Miss A

    Exo

    Twice

    Blackpink

    Red Velvet

    Winner

    Ikon

    NCT

    Got7

    Stray Kids

    Itzy

    Aespa


    and others that I haven't mentioned which were probably still more successful than the vast majority of groups.


    Not to mention their soloists, and also the huge amount of ex-Big 3 trainees that go on to be in successful groups for other companies.


    4th gen seems to be changing though, with a wider range of successful groups from smaller companies.

    this list is very flawed

    first of all Got7 and Stray Kids?… how is SKZ popular in Korea when they’re a fanbase carrier group who can barely chart…???

    Winner are past their prime iKon don’t chart like they used to. NCT is not one of the most successful Kpop groups ever their charting is literally not good.

    Itzy have declined, Miss A were never a top 5 girl group or a top 10 group in general. You guys assume they were because of Suzy lol


    also, my point is that a group not being from big 3 does NOT mean their success is short lived, not that big 3 groups don’t have success. thinking StayC is going back to nugudom because “they’re not from big 3” when another hit song could happen especially knowing their producer is freaking BEP… is dumb

    Yes, there have been a lot of non-Big 3 successfull groups but I guess it is not a matter of having one hugely successful act but several and keeping that over the years. Big 3 were not always the ones people have known for a last few years, there were other companies considered part of the Big 3 who has now fallen off that group.

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    NCT is not one of the most successful Kpop groups ever their charting is literally not good.

    This is like saying twice or exo aren't a top group becuase they lack something

    The amount of bullshit I've read in the OP. And acting like charting is the only measure for success...

    How can you even not consider a group that sold almost 11m(10.9m) albums last year alone as a top group. In just one year they outsold 99% of other groups' careers, get a grip. I'd also add that their spotify and youtube are alright.- korean charting is decent too.

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    charts > sales

    so many groups sell well but can’t chart for their lives and that’s literally why they’re not considered huge. NCT, Skz are million sellers. Who the hell considers SKZ a top group?

    Groups that only chart well and can't sell shit or having a big fanbase to touring in many arenas and stadiums around the world are not considered top groups either. I don't see anyone in their right minds saying Brave Girls or Oh My Girl are top groups.


    But groups like NCT and Stray Kids have more chances to have a long and stable successful career than groups who only chart well and depend on public's fickle interest and If their producer will give them the right song or not.

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    Groups that only chart well and can't sell shit or having a big fanbase to touring in many arenas and stadiums around the world are not considered top groups either. I don't see anyone in their right minds saying Brave Girls or Oh My Girl are top groups.


    But groups like NCT and Stray Kids have more chances to have a long and stable successful career than groups who only chart well and depend on public's fickle interest and If their producer will give them the right song or not.

    Brave Girls don’t count they charted well because the public wanted to gift them fame not because they love their songs

    StayC are one of the top 4th gen ggs because of their charting not their sales

    Itzy are considered to be declining due to their CHARTING not their sales which are nearing 500k per album ( and Aespa sell 500k they’re almost the same lol what differentiates them is the charting )

    Quote from Steamed Chestnuts & Venison (184)

    Groups that only chart well and can't sell shit or having a big fanbase to touring in many arenas and stadiums around the world are not considered top groups either. I don't see anyone in their right minds saying Brave Girls or Oh My Girl are top groups.


    But groups like NCT and Stray Kids have more chances to have a long and stable successful career than groups who only chart well and depend on public's fickle interest and If their producer will give them the right song or not.

    also Red Velvet were considered above Izone because of charting Izone outsold them by the mile

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    also Red Velvet were considered above Izone because of charting Izone outsold them by the mile

    Charting but also popularity with the Korean general public.


    People might dismiss it or ignore it but Red Velvet usually ranks high in popularity in Korean and was number 2 or 3 gg in popularity with the general public for many years.


    Popularity in SK. Digital charting. International popularity. Album sales.

    Those are generally the things that decide whether a group is a top group and in that order.

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    Brave Girls don’t count they charted well because the public wanted to gift them fame not because they love their songs

    StayC are one of the top 4th gen ggs because of their charting not their sales

    Itzy are considered to be declining due to their CHARTING not their sales which are nearing 500k per album ( and Aespa sell 500k they’re almost the same lol what differentiates them is the charting )

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    also Red Velvet were considered above Izone because of charting Izone outsold them by the mile

    For me is hard to understand your point. I never said charting isn't important since my first comment. I said It's not the only measure for success.

    People say ITZY's charting is "declining", not their whole career, because It's not. And you are being mean to them just like people are to StayC saying they will be back to nugudom, as ITZY could never have a hit again and will be forever declining too. When we literally know nothing about the future.


    Red Velvet is considered more successful, because they have a more well-balanced performance in charting, sales, streaming, touring than Izone both national and international-wise.

    Quote from Steamed Chestnuts & Venison (184)

    Groups that only chart well and can't sell shit or having a big fanbase to touring in many arenas and stadiums around the world are not considered top groups either. I don't see anyone in their right minds saying Brave Girls or Oh My Girl are top groups.


    But groups like NCT and Stray Kids have more chances to have a long and stable successful career than groups who only chart well and depend on public's fickle interest and If their producer will give them the right song or not.

    did those groups able to do wide scale of tour? Album sales need to deducted with the album production expense which is more expensive.


    In covid era, I believe groups that charting well are bringing more money and relevance than a group who sells well but can't chart. Since charting well means that they will get more cfs. Cfs income >>> everything else.

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    Anyone who thinks Yoona is not an it girl probably is not getting their facts checked, you really are grasping on straws

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