What set aespa apart From 4th Gen isn't Charting

When people discuss about leader of 4th Gen, they mostly talk about charting. But the elephant in the room is the sale lol. I mean there is no 4th Gen GG even come close. We thought Kep1er which from a reality survival show could somewhat come close but that wasn't case. They could only muster around half the sale. IVE is a little behind Kep1er.

And people is predicting JYPn and these HYBE GGs gona come close or surpass aespa because of how sale has been exploded for kpop. And I think it is delusional. There is a reason Twice has been hovering around 500k to 600k for awhile. Turned out selling 600k for GG is not as easy as charting high on the charts.

People are not ready for aespa next come back which a rumored Full album. They might be able be the second GG to cross 1 mil beside Blackpink. This further stretch their lead in the physical market for GG. Discussed.

Nah. It's the charting that sets them apart. Their successful charting is reflected in their sales. When ggs can't produce hits their sales go downward.

I'll be honest despite black mamba not charting anything special although longevity is pretty great, aespa had one of the best debuts in kpop imo. From the logo reveal to them sync videos it was enough to draw a mass amount of attention in all within a month

this set the pace for everything else to come

nah y'all are taking aespa way too seriously. just because they have weak competition currently you put them on some pedestal. you compare them to ive but ive is doing much better than them internationally and their domestic success shouldn't be underestimated either. if a non big4 group like ive manages to already outshine aespa then you can only imagine what will happen when hybegg and ygngg debut

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Nah. It's the charting that sets them apart. Their successful charting is reflected in their sales. When ggs can't produce hits their sales go downward.

Charting high not necessarily lead to sale. See Boygroups for example. Surely charting high might net you some sale, but twice has not been charting good for awhile, but their sale did go from sub 600k to sub 800k. Similarly Itzy, but JYP has been clever, they released a Special Edition a month after comeback, kinda like a semi repackage. Even without the Special Edison, Twice and Itzy still see substantial gain. Also, Formis 9 has recently sold double their comeback in a week, and they not known for charting.

Simply said aespa are just great. Sm knows how to get and keep hype and increase it I'm really looking forward to their comeback they're one of the few groups I'm actually excited about and that smcu stuff lolz

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nah y'all are taking aespa way too seriously. just because they have weak competition currently you put them on some pedestal. you compare them to ive but ive is doing much better than them internationally and their domestic success shouldn't be underestimated either. if a non big4 group like ive manages to already outshine aespa then you can only imagine what will happen when hybegg and ygngg debut

So u are proving that other are very nugu compare to aespa, and that ive argument is just overused, ive and aespa has fairly similar success internationally.. u are just being exaggerating.. one song going viral and playlistint and other bside making no noise is not a good proof that they are doing better than aespa

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nah y'all are taking aespa way too seriously. just because they have weak competition currently you put them on some pedestal. you compare them to ive but ive is doing much better than them internationally and their domestic success shouldn't be underestimated either. if a non big4 group like ive manages to already outshine aespa then you can only imagine what will happen when hybegg and ygngg debut

Come again? Doing much better than them internationally? We run out of argument here. So this is the current weak spot anti keep hamering? So IVE is doing much better than most GG internationally including Twice recent come back. I mean twice got demolished here with scientist, but The Feel from Twice demolished IVE internationally. So in the end? Twice ended Twice and IVE, but IVE also ended Twice? Lol with this 1 song argument which does not related to the topic.

Which 4th Gen GG come close to aespa sale? exactly, there is none.

You can't really say that until you see HYBE's new gg, or even YG's. Of course Aespa are selling better than IVE and Kep1er. The ratings for GP999 were god awful - they never crossed more than 1%. Literally zero hype for Kep1er in Korea and produce groups are rarely popular international if you discount Japan. IVE aren't Big 3 either. Wait for the real competition

they're the biggest 4th gen gg rn but album sales increase a lot during the pandemic.What sets them apart is their charting.

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they're the biggest 4th gen gg rn but album sales increase a lot during the pandemic.What sets them apart is their charting.

No, lots of GG good at charting but not selling just like lot of BG good at selling not charting. Charting gives you fame and well known among the public but it does not necessarily make you sell great. Look at oh My Girls for example. See the chart below

None of the boygroups charted except BTS, but their sales are astronomical when compare to GG.

Relax, everyone. Just relax.

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You can't really say that until you see HYBE's new gg, or even YG's. Of course Aespa are selling better than IVE and Kep1er. The ratings for GP999 were god awful - they never crossed more than 1%. Literally zero hype for Kep1er in Korea and produce groups are rarely popular international if you discount Japan. IVE aren't Big 3 either. Wait for the real competition

Lol. I will bet with you that none will chart better than IVE and sale come anywhere close to aespa. We see sale

explode during the pandemic, so we under the illusion anyone can sell 600k debut easy. but it will no where close when a group debut and sell as much as aespa. By the time these groups debut, aespa might as well on their way to 1 mil per album.

This is the reality for GGs. If they want massive sale, they will either have to be like Blackpink where the group is really popular internationally or have huge Chinese fans and somewhat known in Kpop Japan. Aespa is huge among Chinese fans and doing ok in Japan, and it doesn't hurt that they kinda trendy in Korea. This is why aespa sale is huge and hard to surpass by any 4th Gen GG. Also, the kpop market is saturated, so future GG debute with huge sale will rather unlikely.

Hmm, besides charting+sales, nothing much. They have talents, and if we're talking about that alone- other groups also have as much but just not as popular. But at the same time, charting+sales is everything. Since you need those to be successful in kpop.

So the 'set apart from other groups', if we're talking about those things, then yeah I do agreed that they're a heavy hitters. Otherwise, if the playing field were even, I am not sure that they will 'set apart' from other groups, as nothing from them scream Im different.

Like an example in term of skills, don't kill me moomoo, but let take MMM out for example. As a group or individual, they don't lack talent. Which GG group can compete with them in that term? Wendy probably can, but can RedVelvet as a whole? Eunji can, but can Apink? Maybe the past GFRIEND? If they were to debuted in JYP, SM or YG, they'll probably lose all their current colors but them charts and sales would be crazy. Imagine if they retain their own colors while in those companies, imagine. Before you say that their songs isn't good, when has that matters once you're in the top 3 companies . It'll still chart and sales will come in.

Also, you're comparing a group debuted in SM which housed SNSD, SUJUs, DBSK, BOA and so so many more, to Ive, who the hell is ive, Ke1pler who? Itzy who? Who is a enough of a heavy hitter for SM entertainment? JFC. Just SNSD and SUJU is probably enough to swallow all of JYPe artists.

Next let me compare Waltz Disney with Smiling Digital Inc.

Well I don't know about not even close since Aespa sold like 575k while Itzy sold just over 500k so it's a lot closer than you would think. BTW Twice last album sold around 810k.

These baseless claims are stupid to me. Come talk in here after you see how they will sell with a full album.

very few ggs have been able to maintain digital dominance for longer than 2 years in a row and SM has been wasting aespa's precious time right now with another remake so very curious how aespa will chart this coming year, especially with so many new ggs debuting. it's true the market is saturated and does not have an appetite for too many idol songs - as oh my girl rose digitally, twice and mamamoo fell digitally. fans don't like to hear this but it's not a good sign for aespa that ive was able to secure a digital hit.

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Well I don't know about not even close since Aespa sold like 575k while Itzy sold just over 500k so it's a lot closer than you would think. BTW Twice last album sold around 810k.

Itzy could muster that much with 3 years time and a full album. Also, JYP released a special Edition 1 month after come back, this net them another 100k or else its not even close.

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These baseless claims are stupid to me. Come talk in here after you see how they will sell with a full album.

For 1 mil sure. Its baseless right now, but going from trend, the possibility of them hitting that is high. As for demolished 4 Gen in physical, this is true.

I see some of you downplaying aespa success with 'they achieved this with little competition wait for jypgg, hybegg, yggg bla bla bla' . Do you think it was easy? Then why 4th gen girl group before aespa couldn't reached what aespa achieved. Aespa is the highest after BTS and Lisa charting in global digital chart currently with non international friendly song. You should be fear the day they dropped international friendly tracks ala Psycho and BadBoy. They will be doing Numbers.

And to some of you saying is because aespa is from SM. Mind you aespa is the only group in SM after 13 years who could enter melon top 5 year end chart. Truth is not easy to take the lead even with a big company name behind. Do you forget on how aespa got lowest rating in Melon history? And before aespa debut Mys are fighting with oppas fandom because of fake rumor? That sm privilege for you

Charting surely helps but what sets them apart is They apparently have tight grip in kpop. Like these girls are everywhere and they always be mentioned good or bad. Everytime the girls have comeback, all eyes on them. People are intigrued...obsessed. it's crazy. It's insane. Aespa is popular. Any topics with aespa name you will get many comments in here, you could get hit tweet in twitter, any rants about aespa get a high engagements in reddit. I could give many more examples but by now you should understand what I mean right.

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Well I don't know about not even close since Aespa sold like 575k while Itzy sold just over 500k so it's a lot closer than you would think. BTW Twice last album sold around 810k.

Itzy had multiple versions and jyp added another version when they saw the sales flopping

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I see some of you downplaying aespa success with 'they achieved this with little competition wait for jypgg, hybegg, yggg bla bla bla' . Do you think it was easy? Then why 4th gen girl group before aespa couldn't reached what aespa achieved. Aespa is the highest after BTS and Lisa charting in global digital chart currently with non international friendly song. You should be fear the day they dropped international friendly tracks ala Psycho and BadBoy. They will be doing Numbers.

And to some of you saying is because aespa is from SM. Mind you aespa is the only group in SM after 13 years who could enter melon top 5 year end chart. Truth is not easy to take the lead even with a big company name behind. Do you forget on how aespa got lowest rating in Melon history? And before aespa debut Mys are fighting with oppas fandom because of fake rumor? That sm privilege for you

Charting surely helps but what sets them apart is They apparently have tight grip in kpop. Like these girls are everywhere and they always be mentioned good or bad. Everytime the girls have comeback, all eyes on them. People are intigrued...obsessed. it's crazy. It's insane. Aespa is popular. Any topics with aespa name you will get many comments in here, you could get hit tweet in twitter, any rants about aespa get a high engagements in reddit. I could give many more examples but by now you should understand what I mean right.

Then where are the streams? The views? The #1 WW trends and 1M+ tweets on Twitter? I see these kinds of comments from MYs all the time, but if everyone is so obsessed why is no one tuning in to stream their songs? I don't dislike Aespa at all but users like you make them out to have BTS or BP level hype but then they so easily get out-streamed by so called flops and fads like ITZY and IVE

AKP is not a reflection of a group's actual popularity lol. This is a niche site for people who are already KPOP fans - not at all reflective of one's actual global popularity

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Then where are the streams? The views? The #1 WW trends and 1M+ tweets on Twitter? I see these kinds of comments from MYs all the time, but if everyone is so obsessed why is no one tuning in to stream their songs? I don't dislike Aespa at all but users like you make them out to have BTS or BP level hype but then they so easily get out-streamed by so called flops and fads like ITZY and IVE

AKP is not a reflection of a group's actual popularity lol. This is a niche site for people who are already KPOP fans - not at all reflective of one's actual global popularity

nobody i mean NOBODY could beat bts and bp for now. Should I wrote "except bts and bp" in every sentences to make you satisfied, huh? Out of 4th gen groups, aespa is the one people get curious about. I mean attracting the interest of casual/non-fans to check out their next release not necessarily stan them. Look at kpoprants, kpop reddit, twitter etc all post about aespa gets more engagements from casuals/non-fans (like those Next Level teaser)

Fyi, aespa is the highest 4thgen gg in the 2021 twitter mentions beating itzy. Stream is not that far behind itzy and ive. Stop magnifying the gap it's not that big lol. Like I said itzy and ive songs are more public friendly. How many times should I told you that the amount of streams is very dependent on whether the songs are public friendly or not. It's not necessarily because of the group (except bts and bp)

comparing album sales with IVE and kep1er isn't fair, aespa have had way more time to establish a fandom. I'm pretty confident IVE will be selling 500k+ per album a year from now

Luck that’s it. When date wants you to be successful , you will be successful

Itzy will always be mys first problem , why am I seeing them get dragged. Aespa fans involve in bulk buying so I don’t understand the itzy having member versions

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comparing album sales with IVE and kep1er isn't fair, aespa have had way more time to establish a fandom. I'm pretty confident IVE will be selling 500k+ per album a year from now

Ive most popular member Wonyoung already debuting for more than 3 years. They sell below usual izone numbers what makes you think they could sell above 500k? kep1er sold less than izone during debut and looking at izone 2.5 years of career there isn't huge significant increase for their album.

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comparing album sales with IVE and kep1er isn't fair, aespa have had way more time to establish a fandom. I'm pretty confident IVE will be selling 500k+ per album a year from now

Didnt wonyoung and yujin debuted like 3 4 year ago already?? They already got some members that have public exposure already coming from a show like produce and was the center of izone helps them so much, u think ive would do as well like today if wonyoung and yujin didnt get to debut?? I dont think so

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Luck that’s it. When date wants you to be successful , you will be successful

Itzy will always be mys first problem , why am I seeing them get dragged. Aespa fans involve in bulk buying so I don’t understand the itzy having member versions

Member versions does increase sale but it is not that significant. Special Edition after 1 month come back is the one that increase Itzy sale substantially. From my estimation, it's about 100k on Gaon. It's clever way to boost sale really. It kinda a semi repackage. What genius about this method is it does not get count separately.

some of you tend to forgot that nearly one year passed and a few big hits happened for aespa to sell so much for an album. after going viral it's the bare minimum. while other groups like ive and kep1er who didn't have any hits or that big of a fandom before releasing their album still managed to achieve such big sales

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some of you tend to forgot that nearly one year passed and a few big hits happened for aespa to sell so much for an album. after going viral it's the bare minimum. while other groups like ive and kep1er who didn't have any hits or that big of a fandom before releasing their album still managed to achieve such big sales

Yawn... see many answers above u. If anything, aespa is at the disadvantage here with the exposure. Also, aespa only had NL go viral in Korea not a few big hits. I stated earlier, a hit song does increase sale, but it not significant. See boy groups and some girlgroups for example.

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Ive most popular member Wonyoung already debuting for more than 3 years. They sell below usual izone numbers what makes you think they could sell above 500k? kep1er sold less than izone during debut and looking at izone 2.5 years of career there isn't huge significant increase for their album.

Theres much more to a groups popularity than the popularity of the most popular member. doesnt matter that wonyoung/yujin were already know. only the hardcore fans were prepared to support a group that barely anything was known about. now the group is growing fans for things other than just wonyoung/yujin.

also izone sales at debut were just 100k so actually izone sales did grow considerably over time. the debut release went on to sell an additional 200k so if IVE debut did that too it could already be close to 500k. IVE selling 500k+ in the future is very realistic actually im sorry

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Theres much more to a groups popularity than the popularity of the most popular member. doesnt matter that wonyoung/yujin were already know. only the hardcore fans were prepared to support a group that barely anything was known about. now the group is growing fans for things other than just wonyoung/yujin.

also izone sales at debut were just 100k so actually izone sales did grow considerably over time. the debut release went on to sell an additional 200k so if IVE debut did that too it could already be close to 500k. IVE selling 500k+ in the future is very realistic actually im sorry

I am sure IVE will have more sale next come back. Good for IVE to have 500k in the future. By then aespa is still have significant lead and I am sure they might get pass 1 mil. What then?

ive and stayc are doing just fine though, and just because aespa has a national hit doesn't mean they'll continue to have hits, look at twice

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Theres much more to a groups popularity than the popularity of the most popular member. doesnt matter that wonyoung/yujin were already know. only the hardcore fans were prepared to support a group that barely anything was known about. now the group is growing fans for things other than just wonyoung/yujin.

also izone sales at debut were just 100k so actually izone sales did grow considerably over time. the debut release went on to sell an additional 200k so if IVE debut did that too it could already be close to 500k. IVE selling 500k+ in the future is very realistic actually im sorry

Oops i should be more specific, i mean izone debut album currenly (300k++) . Wonyoung still have significant lead more than any members even yujin take a look at their fancam views or trending topics, mainly is all about wonyoung.

With the incerease of album sales, 500+k is realistic but not for their next release that is delusional goal.

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Yawn... see many answers above u. If anything, aespa is at the disadvantage here with the exposure. Also, aespa only had NL go viral in Korea not a few big hits. I stated earlier, a hit song does increase sale, but it not significant. See boy groups and some girlgroups for example.

Aespa is at disadvantage?you've completely lost it

Not only next level went viral. Black mamba gained success too, not as big as NL but it did. Savage was big too especially due to the dance. Let's not play it silly, aespa got a few hits which were enough to boost up their sales now

do you remember when aespa drop savage teaser and the whole kpop started to edit their faves with savage edit? That what I called getting interest from casuals/non-fans.

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I am sure IVE will have more sale next come back. Good for IVE to have 500k in the future. By then aespa is still have significant lead and I am sure they might get pass 1 mil. What then?

nothing. i don't care about that. you said "what makes you think they could sell above 500k" i just wanted to say that its actually very realistic

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Aespa is at disadvantage?you've completely lost it

Not only next level went viral. Black mamba gained success too, not as big as NL but it did. Savage was big too especially due to the dance. Let's not play it silly, aespa got a few hits which were enough to boost up their sales now

Yes they are when compare to IVE and kep1er. Just because they come from SM, it does not guarantee to have great sale. Look at Fx and redvelvet. Did they dominate and lead their respective Gen by sale? It's a big fat no. Red velvet got demolishes by twice, Backpink and Izone. As for FX, they got demolished by Kara and T-ara.

Hello, IVE has two of the most popular members from izone with lots of exposure from mnet show and has been in the biz for more than 3 years. Infact many fans have already concluded Wonyoung is the ultimate IT girl for 4th Gen now. Kep1er has a 3 months TV show where they gather most loyal fans with voting. So aespa only has SM as as their exposure where it does not guarantee great sale. So you tell me, who have the advantages?

So Blackmamba was a success lol? No, it wasn't. Not for an SM group with expectation for charting. I recalled many call them flop especially when compare to itzy. What savage have to do with the sale of aespa debut album?

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nothing. i don't care about that. you said "what makes you think they could sell above 500k" i just wanted to say that its actually very realistic

I did not say that. Go back and read. I am the op.

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Yes they are when compare to IVE and kep1er. Just because they come from SM, it does not guarantee to have great sale. Look at Fx and redvelvet. Did they dominate and lead their respective Gen by sale? It's a big fat no. Red velvet got demolishes by twice, Backpink and Izone. As for FX, they got demolished by Kara and T-ara.

Hello, IVE has two of the most popular members from izone with lots of exposure from mnet show and has been in the biz for more than 3 years. Infact many fans have already concluded Wonyoung is the ultimate IT girl for 4th Gen now. Kep1er has a 3 months TV show where they gather most loyal fans with voting. So aespa only has SM as as their exposure where it does not guarantee great sale. So you tell me, who have the advantages?

So Blackmamba was a success lol? No, it wasn't. Not for an SM group with expectation for charting. I recalled many call them flop especially when compare to itzy. What savage have to do with the sale of aespa debut album?

Aespa doesn't have the underdogs story you wish them to have. They have big 3 privilege which alone says enough.Mnet's survival shows are getting boycotted,their ratings are ridiculous and a survival show can't guarantee you the success it could years ago. Ive,on the other hand,indeed has two members bringing up big exposure true, but it can't be compared to the exposure aespa had ever since they start.

So no, aespa isn't at disadvantage and if anything they have a pretty big advantage because they had one year + a few hits to secure a fandom and achieve huge sales.