Why do you think Western boy bands aren’t doing well like Kpop bands?

Boy bands are seen as manufactured and less talented 100% in the west lol. If you do not play instruments while in a band, you’re not seen as talented or worthy of praise.

Prolly not the slave contracts but kpop also hasn’t had that image in a long time.

boy bands being perceived as something mindless and enjoyed by fangirls long predates kpop.

As for xenophobia and racism that’s a matter for Asians to deal with and is above being in a band.

this band is 👍 too

To answer this: because most countries do not even have one.

Last time one existed in Germany, they disbanded allready. All are still into music but going seperate ways. The most people who are into German music tend to go to soloists and bands, same as for people who like music of other European or American countries. Most companies don't even try to debut a group cause it will fail hard compared to bands or vocalists...

BTW this was the last group that existed in germany:

Boy, they look and sound so boring, so generic. Meh

it just isn't really a thing here. boy groups were huge in the late 90s/early 2000s but not anymore. they're usually seen as like...cheesy or too manufactured. one direction was the last exception and that's probably because they started out on a singing competition...any other boy groups that tried to be a thing around that time to capitalize on their popularity failed hard.

bts is another exception. sometimes a group just gets lucky honestly. they hit at the right time, have enough hits, gain enough momentum. it's a rarity.

Prettymuch have some bops tho and im pretty sure 1d had the slave contract going on because they were always on tour… for you question, yeah there’s no things as bg and ggs being debuted all the time like soloists etc but I also think no one hits big because they lack the X factor, there are hit songs by groups so I don’t think it’s something like the general public not being into them.

Seems like nobody wants to invest in new groups, in general, because of the costs. They haven't figured out how to build up the same level of fan engagement again either.

I don't think people realize that it was one guy (Lou Pearlman) who churned out a lot of the manufactured mainstream boybands in the US. There is an interesting doc on him (The Lou Pearlman Story) for those interested in stories behind the music.

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Are they really made to replace BTS? BTS (and Kpop in general) is all about performance, but these guys are way too boring.

The West is going through another "authentic" fad, where the popular artists are ones who come across as having "come from nowhere and made their own name", as opposed to a group manufactured and polished by a label. Even more ideal is making it look like the artists popularity grew naturally from social media. "Just a small town girl got big on the Instagrams and now has a grammy!!". It does seem like some of these artists are so called "industry plants" though, still manufactured by a label, but polished to look "authentic".

But with BTS' popularity in the west, and even the less, but still important impact of other kpop groups, I think we'll see more Western companies start experimenting with obviously manufactured groups again over the next few years. Although there will be a big focus on diversity in said groups.

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The West is going through another "authentic" fad, where the popular artists are ones who come across as having "come from nowhere and made their own name", as opposed to a group manufactured and polished by a label. Even more ideal is making it look like the artists popularity grew naturally from social media. "Just a small town girl got big on the Instagrams and now has a grammy!!". It does seem like some of these artists are so called "industry plants" though, still manufactured by a label, but polished to look "authentic".

But with BTS' popularity in the west, and even the less, but still important impact of other kpop groups, I think we'll see more Western companies start experimenting with obviously manufactured groups again over the next few years. Although there will be a big focus on diversity in said groups.

And most of this is just a lie. There is nothing organic in Western pop, Kpop is just more open about how they manufacture idols, Western media likes to hide the truth.

When you sign with a company like UMG as a rookie, they own your ass. Plain and simple. We're just better at hiding this from the gullible masses, Kpop labels dont care to hide it they openly talk about it.

it's not what westerns fans are into

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And most of this is just a lie. There is nothing organic in Western pop, Kpop is just more open about how they manufacture idols, Western media likes to hide the truth.

When you sign with a company like UMG as a rookie, they own your ass. Plain and simple. We're just better at hiding this from the gullible masses, Kpop labels dont care to hide it they openly talk about it.

Thats why I said "come across as". The big and popular artists are almost all obviously manufactured and their image puffed up by whatever label owns them and controlled by them (even if they pretend to be rebellious, shocking artists).

But the story is still important. The whole "Lil Nas X was a nobody until he spent $30 on a sample and went viral on TikTok and got popular". Thats why the term Industry Plant even exists, a created, manufactured "authentic" artist. Lorde is another one. I've also read a fair bit saying Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo are as well.

So what I'm saying is that the trend in the Western music world right now is to LOOK "organic and authentic", a trend that doesn't gel with the boy group/girl group formula. There's still a bit of distaste for the obvious and open "we made this singer/group, please enjoy them" model.

But as I said, I kind of think that will change as Western labels try and start emulating BTS (and successful kpop girl groups).