Who are the most popular 3rd gen kpop groups in japan after bts and twice actually? (pls don't say niziu, they aren't kpop)

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The way this is flopping

I guess it's not an interesting topic.

Lol, there was a topic about it a few hours ago, so that might be the reason

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Now that izone disbanded:( who is the second most popular kpop gg in japan

Twice is undoubtably #1

Who’s at 2:
Itzy? Bp? Rv? What about oh my girl? Are they all similar that we don’t have a #2??

Do some groups do better digitally than physically? Or fandom must carry you in both?

I-dont-cAre

Apr 4th 2021

The consensus was that BP wat the second biggest GG, not sure about BG though...

NiziU (two massive songs in Step and a Step and Make You Happy, first physical single sold over 400k)

SVT (they can sell physicals really well)

ITZY (have surprisingly good digitals with minimal to no promotions)

IZ*ONE (Fandom, but it's enough to keep them afloat there)

BP or TXT

would be the next 5 I think

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Lol, there was a topic about it a few hours ago, so that might be the reason

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Now that izone disbanded:( who is the second most popular kpop gg in japan

Twice is undoubtably #1

Who’s at 2:
Itzy? Bp? Rv? What about oh my girl? Are they all similar that we don’t have a #2??

Do some groups do better digitally than physically? Or fandom must carry you in both?

I-dont-cAre

Apr 4th 2021

The consensus was that BP wat the second biggest GG, not sure about BG though...

There's a whole NiziU, BP is not 2nd.

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There's a whole NiziU, BP is not 2nd.

Oh, yeah, I guess it depends if we consider NiziU kpop or not.

Across all metrics Seventeen if NiziU is not considered

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NiziU is jpop. Is this in order? Cause no way izone is above bp.

No, not in order. And you didn't say K-pop, you just said group. And NiziU is a JYP group.

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But svt don't even have streaming certification. Fandom work is enough to get those 30M ones. Physical sales have that much weightage?

SVT also sold out 8 domes for a tour before they were cancelled due to covid. Only Twice and BTS have done domes from 3rd gen.

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SVT also sold out 8 domes for a tour before they were cancelled due to covid. Only Twice and BTS have done domes from 3rd gen.

Actually Blackpink has done dome tours too. Their touring power is second to none for ggs in this gen

Out of the active groups, Seventeen definitely closes top 3. Japanese market is more about Physical sales & touring and I guess Seventeen has that covered. Charting is a good metric for other markets but not Japan. Why? Because of the structure of the market.

Why else do you think groups are putting out special content for japanese market?

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But svt don't even have streaming certification. Fandom work is enough to get those 30M ones. Physical sales have that much weightage?

Also, yes. Especially without fansigns and handshake events. And they're a foreign group. Selling that much is incredible.

Getting any sort of certification from RIAJ is a big deal for a foreign act.

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Actually Blackpink has done dome tours too

Ooooh I didn't know that. Good for the girls!

I would still put SVT above them due to physicals.

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People underestimate bp's power in jpn.

Ppl underestimate Blackpink's touring more imo. They only had 1 official tour and 1 online concert but already is the 3rd gen gg with the most revenue and most attendance.

Blackpink has never promoted in Jpn, don't think they will ever do there. I don't think their fandom presence is that high there and I think for markets like China and Japan digital and physical sales is understandably rated higher so I think SVT is 3rd.

Their charting, streaming, and touring is very good in Japan tho for a market that they have never promoted in

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Ooooh I didn't know that. Good for the girls!

I would still put SVT above them due to physicals.

that's fair imo, just correcting the dome tour thing.

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YG doesn't care about japan beyond touring. So bp will never release original jpn singles or albums.China in general is a digital market isn't it? Cbars buys tons of albums.

China is a physical and downloads market. Streaming is non existent there. Just look at HYLT streaming vs download numbers lol, that ratio can't be found in other countries

Seventeen

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Special content as in? Isn't japan warming up to streaming these days?

Special content as in songs and albums recorded in japanese. We don't see that for any other market.

Japanese albums are priced more than korean albums. That's why companies are going for those japanese sales.

Yeah Japan is also slowly giving in to streaming era. But I think the transition will take more time than other countries.

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Do u know if local stars sell alot of physicals? The exo chinese member sold alot of album copies in china but it was all downloads i guess. Agree that downloads r huge in china. Very huge actually.

Not really. Or they all will make it to the most sold albums each year with the population in China. Kpop acts have fans that are more inclined to buy physical albums that's why grps like EXO and Bp can sell so much physicals there when they have bigger fandom there.

The difference is that Chinese Gp don't really stream, some of them still just download songs they like. Hence the downloads. That kind of mentality is exclusive to China

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But svt don't even have streaming certification. Fandom work is enough to get those 30M ones. Physical sales have that much weightage?

Across all metrics*

seventeen then bp, not a big gap though.

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The way this is flopping

I guess it's not an interesting topic.

More like people discuss this here everyday