Still..not necessarily.
Singing is not for everyone. You forget that natural ability and voice development can play a factor and possibly even limit vocal ability, sometimes.
I didn't say everyone can be like Celine Dion, I only said, everyone can develop their skills. 😅
To be fair, if you start learning young you can be on a top level, even if you're not naturally talented. Most singers didn't born that way.
Display MoreSorry, not gonna argue about things you don't know anything about. MHJ was anything but the backbone of SME! You lost me there! Especially when you said it doesn't have anything to do with BoA. SME was already big before MHJ did anything. And yes, she's a pretty good ART DIRECTOR, and she knows the TRENDS well, but that's all! But as far as I know she didn't write or produced the songs, so the fact that those songs are massive hits till now, doesn't have anything to do with her!
You said it yourself, she's an ART DIRECTOR, not a PRODUCER or a SONGWRITER!
It's like saying, I'm the reason Titanic was a massive movie, because I created some art designs for it. Be serious, please!
Also, no, she wasn't a "ghost executive producer ", that's just your imagination, because you're a fan of her, and only because of NewJeans! She never wrote a single line or produced any songs.
Kim Do-hoon for example, he's one if not the biggest Korean producer, and the most credited as well. Also, he created Mamamoo, the biggest hit songs for artists like: IU, BTS, PSY and so on!
Leave your NJ bubble, and do some research!
Again, do some research before you talk! The only biased here is you, and it's actually sad! If you don't know what's my problem with her, you clearly don't follow NewJeans, even tho you're a Tokki, unlike me.
Lastly: Nothing you're talking about is a topic here, so please stop it, we won't have an argument about MHJ anyway!
Peace!
mhj saved sm's *ss over and over again. gee, growl, red flavor are all break out songs and concepts that literally made these respective groups popular on a national level. trends and concepts make or break groups. so yes her impact was IMMENSE!
also strangely, whatever she touches with her 'art director' fingers comes out with a mega banger song as well. and as soon as she left, groups she used to work for like red velvet, started realising mid forgetable flop songs, either in quality or either in performance (aka umpah umpah, queendom, birthday, chill kill). indeed lsm was still there to save rv's *ss with songs like psycho and fmr but duh. it's all very strange.
regardless, she was a backbone of sm alongside lsm and boa. there is no even a need for a competition. but her essentital role in sm's success story through decades is undisputable. denying it just sounds nonsensical.
again you seem to be unable to distinguish between a music producer and an executive producer. bro, you ain't a toddler, go google that sh*t! you think gda gave her best producer award for what then?! and please stop your selective reading. answer the facts.
yet kim do hoon never achieved what mhj did in just 2 years with njs 
. both in korea and globally. again, another fact for you, the most successful and critially acclaimed koean song is Super Shy. And who was the executive producer behind the song and the get up EP??? YEAH MHJ!
So weither she was just a art director in sm or wether she was a ghost producer is irrelevent in the end. Because now she is in full control and she is crushing it! and honestly, the best is yet to come!
mhj saved sm's *ss over and over again. gee, growl, red flavor are all break out songs and concepts that literally made these respective groups popular on a national level. trends and concepts make or break groups. so yes her impact was IMMENSE!
I won't repeat myself over and over again! Stop talking nonsense if you don't know anything about this, and you're just a NewJeans and MHJ fangirl!
Just because she did a good job as an ART DIRECTOR, doesn't mean she's the reason those songs became a hit. The concepts have literally nothing to do with how good a song is. It's like saying a VFX makes a movie better and not the script, the acting or the directing!
Just like the movies, music is NOT a one-man job!
She didn't make any SME group popular, she had a PART in that, that's all! Use your brain, and stop talking nonsense!
Since she left SME, every other group is still on the top, Red Velvet, Aespa, NCT and others. Again, if you only know NewJeans, don't waste my time!
Quoteagain you seem to be unable to distinguish between a music producer and an executive producer. bro, you ain't a toddler, go google that sh*t! you think gda gave her best producer award for what then?! and please stop your selective reading. answer the facts.
Funny you say this, but you're the one who doesn't know that an ART DIRECTOR doesn't create music like a PRODUCER!
She never won any Producer Award when she was at SME. Use Google, as you said! She became an actual producer with NJ! And you dare to say I have a selective reading? 🤣
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Honey, Kim Dohoon built his own company from the ground, unlike your MHJ who did it with HYBE money! Did MHJ ever created a group from zero without big money and made it popular after 2 years? No, but Kim did it with Mamamoo. They beat actual Legends 2 YEARS after their debut as a NUGU company/group, unlike NewJeans who had everything from the start! Again, use Google you clueless MHJ stan.
Not to mention, Dohoon is a Songwriter, producer and composer, not an ART DIRECTOR! He made the most popular Kpop songs of all-time! Again, use Google!
Also, some Awards I can find, but I won't do more research for you! MHJ can't even lace his shoes, honey!😅
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This is the credit for Super Shy. Maybe use Google before talk!😅 Can you actually prove that Super Shy was the most acclaimed Korean song. KOREAN, not KPOP, because you said that, but it's not even the most acclaimed Kpop song ever. Maybe in 2023, but not ALL-TIME!
QuoteSo weither she was just a art director in sm or wether she was a ghost producer is irrelevent in the end. Because now she is in full control and she is crushing it! and honestly, the best is yet to come!
1st: It's not irrelevant, because it's like saying a surgeon and a vet are the same thing.
2nd: Yeah, she crushed it, that's why NewJeans doesn't know if they have a future as a group or not. Good job! 
Display MoreI won't repeat myself over and over again! Stop talking nonsense if you don't know anything about this, and you're just a NewJeans and MHJ fangirl!
Just because she did a good job as an ART DIRECTOR, doesn't mean she's the reason those songs became a hit. The concepts have literally nothing to do with how good a song is. It's like saying a VFX makes a movie better and not the script, the acting or the directing!
Just like the movies, music is NOT a one-man job!
She didn't make any SME group popular, she had a PART in that, that's all! Use your brain, and stop talking nonsense!
Since she left SME, every other group is still on the top, Red Velvet, Aespa, NCT and others. Again, if you only know NewJeans, don't waste my time!
Funny you say this, but you're the one who doesn't know that an ART DIRECTOR doesn't create music like a PRODUCER!
She never won any Producer Award when she was at SME. Use Google, as you said! She became an actual producer with NJ! And you dare to say I have a selective reading? 🤣
Honey, Kim Dohoon built his own company from the ground, unlike your MHJ who did it with HYBE money! Did MHJ ever created a group from zero without big money and made it popular after 2 years? No, but Kim did it with Mamamoo. They beat actual Legends 2 YEARS after their debut as a NUGU company/group, unlike NewJeans who had everything from the start! Again, use Google you clueless MHJ stan.
Not to mention, Dohoon is a Songwriter, producer and composer, not an ART DIRECTOR! He made the most popular Kpop songs of all-time! Again, use Google!
Also, some Awards I can find, but I won't do more research for you! MHJ can't even lace his shoes, honey!😅
This is the credit for Super Shy. Maybe use Google before talk!😅 Can you actually prove that Super Shy was the most acclaimed Korean song. KOREAN, not KPOP, because you said that, but it's not even the most acclaimed Kpop song ever. Maybe in 2023, but not ALL-TIME!
1st: It's not irrelevant, because it's like saying a surgeon and a vet are the same thing.
2nd: Yeah, she crushed it, that's why NewJeans doesn't know if they have a future as a group or not. Good job!
Well, they are or were a HYBE group, so I was right. It's not like NJ started from scratch without any money. They were part of the biggest Kpop agency of this decade! So, it doesn't matter what anyone says, HYBE money is a factor in their popularity. Just like with every other BIG4 groups.
Display MoreI won't repeat myself over and over again! Stop talking nonsense if you don't know anything about this, and you're just a NewJeans and MHJ fangirl!
Just because she did a good job as an ART DIRECTOR, doesn't mean she's the reason those songs became a hit. The concepts have literally nothing to do with how good a song is. It's like saying a VFX makes a movie better and not the script, the acting or the directing!
Just like the movies, music is NOT a one-man job!
She didn't make any SME group popular, she had a PART in that, that's all! Use your brain, and stop talking nonsense!
Since she left SME, every other group is still on the top, Red Velvet, Aespa, NCT and others. Again, if you only know NewJeans, don't waste my time!
Funny you say this, but you're the one who doesn't know that an ART DIRECTOR doesn't create music like a PRODUCER!
She never won any Producer Award when she was at SME. Use Google, as you said! She became an actual producer with NJ! And you dare to say I have a selective reading? 🤣
Honey, Kim Dohoon built his own company from the ground, unlike your MHJ who did it with HYBE money! Did MHJ ever created a group from zero without big money and made it popular after 2 years? No, but Kim did it with Mamamoo. They beat actual Legends 2 YEARS after their debut as a NUGU company/group, unlike NewJeans who had everything from the start! Again, use Google you clueless MHJ stan.
Not to mention, Dohoon is a Songwriter, producer and composer, not an ART DIRECTOR! He made the most popular Kpop songs of all-time! Again, use Google!
Also, some Awards I can find, but I won't do more research for you! MHJ can't even lace his shoes, honey!😅
This is the credit for Super Shy. Maybe use Google before talk!😅 Can you actually prove that Super Shy was the most acclaimed Korean song. KOREAN, not KPOP, because you said that, but it's not even the most acclaimed Kpop song ever. Maybe in 2023, but not ALL-TIME!
1st: It's not irrelevant, because it's like saying a surgeon and a vet are the same thing.
2nd: Yeah, she crushed it, that's why NewJeans doesn't know if they have a future as a group or not. Good job!
I was a pink blood, a sowon and a taeyeon x krystal stan and have been following sm ggs since 2012 from snsd to fx to red velvet so stop with your 'only know njs' BS please!
I just realized that what i loved in sm was mostly the mhj touch. I was actually a mhj admirer all along without even knowing. No wonder NJs blew me over, it was HER group from a to z!
(and yes red velvet got mostly screwd up since she left!)
You definitly have selective reading because the producer award i was talking about was with get up ep in 2023 
. So you do confirm that she is a producer then! (with njs) Thanks! That's what i was saying all along 
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And yes Super Shy is the most acclaimed kpop song of all time. Go make your research you blonk instead of projecting your ignorance on me! (and i never claimed mhj was a music producer so again stop your selective reading duh! I said she was an executive producer)
Again, the mamamoo producer is great but lol mhj had a greater impact with njs debut than all mamamoo career in korea. Let's not even talk globally or the western critical acclaim with get up pff. please stop 
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MHJ is a debutant producer so indeed it's unfair to compare decades of a man’s career to just merely 2 years! But your bias against mhj knows no bounds so...
obviously you had to resort to hybe payola bs to cope with mhjs insane achievements with njs lol. When in fact as soon as they hired her, hybe was actually already stealing her ideas and sabotaging her work!
mhj got the same investement that sserafim did, yet sserafim never made it like njs did. nowhere near. not even like mamamo did actually. even thought they are hybe princesses and have gotten the most payola out of hybe groups. (Since bts) LOL. KEEP COPING 
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I was a pink blood, a sowon and a taeyeon x krystal stan and have been following sm ggs since 2012 from snsd to fx to red velvet so stop with your 'only know njs' BS please!
I just realized that what i loved in sm was mostly the mhj touch. I was actually a mhj admirer all along without even knowing. No wonder NJs blew me over, it was HER group from a to z!
So, I was right all along, you don't know anything about music, you only care about the visuals. Like I said, visuals has nothing to do with MUSIC, and MHJ never wrote a single line, or produced any song, especially at SME, so, saying she's the reason you loved those SME groups and their songs, is THE DUMBEST thing you could've said! Congrats!😂
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Again, I was right, she never won any Producer award before NJ! And producers can be anything, not just music producers! Did she ever produce any NJ song? I can't find any credit on her name, only vocal direction! And that has nothing to do with producing songs!
QuoteAnd yes Super Shy is the most acclaimed kpop song of all time. Go make your research you blonk instead of projecting your ignorance on me! (and i never claimed mhj was a music producer so again stop your selective reading duh! I said she was an executive producer)
Show me proof like I did. You only talk, but why should anyone believe you? Because you're a clueless MHJ fangirl? That's the main reason no one would take you seriously. 😂
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Really? Didn't know NJ released 4 EP in ONE YEAR, and all of the songs on those 4 EP were charting on every K-chart in the TOP100! Mamamoo in their prime were bigger than NJ in Korea, and they did it without HYBE money! Tell me again, what impact NJ had other than being popular and having the lamest and longest Kdrama of 2024!
I didn't want to shade NJ, so if any Tokki see this, they should know, you're the reason I did it! You want to compare one of the biggest girl group in Korea (MAMAMOO) with a rookie group from a BIG4! That's beyond mental! They had everything from the start, unlike MMM. Everything they achieved, they did it alone, unlike NJ!
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I'm not biased, I actually praised her work at SME, but I'm not a company or producer stan like you! When I see toxic people, I'm not defending them like you. You need a brain check, because you're clearly ignoring how toxic that woman is!
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That's the fact! At SME, she had SME money, at HYBE, she had HYBE money! She NEVER, again, she NEVER created a group from zero without big money and made them popular!
What Bigbang, Mamamoo, Sistar, Kiss of Life and others did without money is the REAL achievement! Rich kids achieving popularity is not a big thing!
Anyway, I will say this one last time. Don't waste my time, and stop talking about things that's irrelevant to this topic! I don't care about your MHJ cult!
So, I was right all along, you don't know anything about music, you only care about the visuals. Like I said, visuals has nothing to do with MUSIC, and MHJ never wrote a single line, or produced any song, especially at SME, so, saying she's the reason you loved those SME groups and their songs, is THE DUMBEST thing you could've said! Congrats!😂
I'm sorry but both fx and rv's music were AMAZING. but aespa's music (until 2024) was a 90% total MISS for me. both the concept and the music didn't suit my taste. (or it was poorly executed idk). NJS on the other hand were beyong EXCELLENT, and in ALL aspects 
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Again, I was right, she never won any Producer award before NJ! And producers can be anything, not just music producers! Did she ever produce any NJ song? I can't find any credit on her name, only vocal direction! And that has nothing to do with producing songs!
did I ever said she did??? please take some pills, your selective reading is getting worse and worse! and yes she won the gda award for best producer for get up.
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Show me proof like I did. You only talk, but why should anyone believe you? Because you're a clueless MHJ fangirl? That's the main reason no one would take you seriously. 😂
Yama-Chan please enlighten this smug dumbo 
(you got all the stats 
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Really? Didn't know NJ released 4 EP in ONE YEAR, and all of the songs on those 4 EP were charting on every K-chart in the TOP100! Mamamoo in their prime were bigger than NJ in Korea, and they did it without HYBE money! Tell me again, what impact NJ had other than being popular and having the lamest and longest Kdrama of 2024!
the only group that was bigger than njs in sk was snsd and nobody else even comes close . i guess you just need to look up the gallup polls because apparently even with their billionaire trash company waging a war on them, they dominated the gallup poll and had 3 of their songs in the top 10 most popular songs of the year, one of the song being 2 years old... close your mouth clown 
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I didn't want to shade NJ, so if any Tokki see this, they should know, you're the reason I did it! You want to compare one of the biggest girl group in Korea (MAMAMOO) with a rookie group from a BIG4! That's beyond mental! They had everything from the start, unlike MMM. Everything they achieved, they did it alone, unlike NJ!
alone or not, which sounds pretty unlikely since apparently they had the greatest korean producer, is quite irrelevent to the case, even more since mhj wasn't even supported by hybe quite the opposite. regardless, they were never on njs level in korea nor globally .
I'm not biased, I actually praised her work at SME, but I'm not a company or producer stan like you! When I see toxic people, I'm not defending them like you. You need a brain check, because you're clearly ignoring how toxic that woman is!
i followed the case way more closely that you will ever dream of and i already made my mind about her and about hybe, and honestly your opinion is absolutely irrelevent.
That's the fact! At SME, she had SME money, at HYBE, she had HYBE money! She NEVER, again, she NEVER created a group from zero without big money and made them popular!
SHE made rookie groups popular! if she can attract investors it's BECAUSE she is a TALENTED MOTHERF*CKER! get that in your skull!! if it was only a question of money, all big three agencies plus hybe would have been pumping groups like NJS by now. but guess what? only SHE was able to achiev that. not even bango with all his hybe payola, billions and connections could compete with njs.
What Bigbang, Mamamoo, Sistar, Kiss of Life and others did without money is the REAL achievement! Rich kids achieving popularity is not a big thing!
MHJ isn't a golden spoon, she started at the bottom of sm entertainement and made it to the top all due to her talent and hardwork, despite being a very young women. paye your f*cking respects! she is the last person you should dare talk about like that!
and yes i do hope that she will establish her own independant agency.
Anyway, I will say this one last time. Don't waste my time, and stop talking about things that's irrelevant to this topic! I don't care about your MHJ cult!
well maybe you should start closing your mouth before talking about what you obviously has no clue about first? don't expect people to stay silent while you're spurting BS 
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